so you shot a dog.. now what?

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there was a thread a while ago about a biker getting chased on his mountain bike by a dog that wasn't chained down.. couldn't find it on the search but i as wondering what the legalities of the options are if you were walking down your neighborhood street (i was in tacoma) and a pitbull jumped out of the yard and begun to run after you.

i was carrying (glock 27) but i saw a way out from harms way by running to yard fence and closing the gate real quick (i had plenty of time).. then waited for the dog to leave. after i left, i had the gun drawn, but covered by my jacket and i wouldn't hesitate to blow the dog away b/c i was so tee'd off :fire:

what if i had no way out?

do you..

1) blow dog away and return the dead body to the owners front porch?

2) run like hell and hope it'll stop chasing you?

3) throw rocks at it?

4) let it tear u apart..

5) pray?


also, when considering these options you should also take into account that almost ALL dog owners claim their dog may be a little rough, but they'll never ever ever bite.
are they liable to take you to court then and sue you for shooting an innocent dog that never bite anyone? or would the leash law let me loose?

kinda got carried away, but some suggestions please..
 
UWstudent said:
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what if i had no way out?

do you..

1) blow dog away and return the dead body to the owners front porch?

2) run like hell and hope it'll stop chasing you?

3) throw rocks at it?

4) let it tear u apart..

5) pray?

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I think I'd call the cops, they'll know what to do.

If the shoot was questionable (after you've calmed down you notice it's a Chihuahua), pick up your brass and leave.:D
 
It happened to me. I shot the neighbor's dog. I had warned him six times or so. Finaly there was no way to avoid the dog in my driveway and on my land by 500 feet The Deputy came out and asked quesions. I put forth ny position that the dog raised hackles, bared teeth, and advanced growling. The nieghborr said "that dog isn't dangerous, he only bit someone one time." The Deputy handed me my ID back and told me to go inside. Deputy then talked to neighbor for some time.

Neighbor hates me. boo hoo
 
I could fill the court with witnesses who would testify that my dog wouldn't bite you. And I would.

If you can't ride faster than a dog (apart from a whippet or greyhound, which tend not to even notice you, to say nothing of bite) then perhaps you should sell your mountain bike.

But then again, I know when and when not to be afraid of dogs. I don't much care if they bite, either, as long as they don't hurt me.

Ignorance is no excuse to go shooting everything you see. But if you know the dog is really going to tear you apart, then of course you need to defend yourself. It doesn't sound like you have a clue about dog behavior, though, and that would come out clearly in court when I sued you for mental anguish, which would only happen after you were convicted for shooting in the city limits, among other things.

It's a mixed bag. Get educated, or get along down the street.
 
horge said:
Can I be your friend?
I have recipes, and know how to use 'em.
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Sure, I've worked in Makati and loved it. I'd go back in a minute. Ever eaten at the Kaymayan in Manila? Send me some suckling pig and I'll be your friend forever. :)
 
ArmedBear said:
Ignorance is no excuse to go shooting everything you see. But if you know the dog is really going to tear you apart, then of course you need to defend yourself. It doesn't sound like you have a clue about dog behavior, though, and that would come out clearly in court when I sued you for mental anguish, which would only happen after you were convicted for shooting in the city limits, among other things.

It's a mixed bag. Get educated, or get along down the street.
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I don't think the fellow is talking about shooting a running dog but rather a growling dog advancing in a threatening manner. I have a neighbor's dog which does this any time I go check my mail...sometimes it comes on my land to explain to me that I shouldn't be there. Now, I don't own a gun, yet, but I do own a bow and several blades, and I've been this |-| close to killing the mongrel several times. Haven't felt it necessary yet, so I haven't.

I did call the police when I lived in NC and had a nuisance dog problem, and I asked what the worst that could happen to me was if I killed it. Tylenol and chocolate works wonders on doggies, you see. The deputy explained that I could be charged with cruelty to animals and if convicted the penalty is as much as 10 years. So a simple incessant barker, even on your property, you can't shoot...though I did tag one with a BB gun. Waking me up every night at 2am running around *my* yard was too much for me.

However, there was this other event when my wife and I were walking down a service road off I-70 (i think) in Denver. This very angry snarling, barking, growling pit was trying to get over the fence and come at us. If I had a gun, and that thing got over the fence, I would have emptied my weapon into it. I'm not certain what the legalities are, but if I'm in fear of my life from a human, I'll kill him, and I don't treat dogs better than I do humans.

Maybe I'll get sued, but my wife and I would be alive to be sued.
 
Most dogs can be buffaloed fairly easily. When one chases me, I generally chase him right back and this almost always produces a receding dog -dopler effect. In the case of a dog that I absolutely had to shoot, I would hope to let him bite me pretty good first. I heal up real quick, have been dog bit before and will be again. It's not that big a deal. If I had to shoot the dog to rescue another person, I would not wait until the person was bit but probably would try to place myself between the victim and the dog, sustain the injuries and then shoot the dog.

I will go out of my way to avoid shooting a dog. Will have injuries to show why I shot the dog. The dog will be in violation of local laws that constrain dog owners against allowing their animals to run at large. In the even that a dog owner took impolite exception to clear self defense against his dog, I would use the injuries to exact civil and criminal penalties from the dog owner. If the dog owner took physical exception to the same, I would use all necessary force on the dog owner. Dog owners who do not supervise their dogs and who ACT like dogs themselves deserve no slack. They are just one more useless varmint in an overpopulated world.

On the other hand, If a dog took an experimental bite out of me and broke off or even a large bite out of me and made me shoot him, if the dog owner behaved like an adult, I would not even call the animal control center.
 
Malone LaVeigh said:
I hear rabies shots are painful.
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Rabies isn't a problem in my part of the country. Where it is, I'd sure be more concerned about that.

I do, however, see a lot of people who are really scared of dogs that are wagging their tails and running up to greet them. A lot of people in my city are incredibly ignorant, irrationally fearful, and downright childish.

That's my prejudice; I'll be clear about it.

Shooting a pet -- not a rabid dog, an attacking feral dog, or whatever -- should not be taken lightly. Furthermore, most pets are not dangerous. Most, not all.

I've had a lot of positive interactions with strange dogs. My wife saved one from near-certain death in traffic the other night. She was really friendly, as it turned out, when she got over being scared out of her wits.

And I don't have a lot of patience with people who think that bullets compensate for a lack of understanding, compassion, or plain old decency. They sure don't.
 
" Rabies Shots- Painful"

Good news! They're inconvenient but not painful. After a few of them, (skin pop needles with the serum injected sub-cut), the area can get a bit itchy- so they move to alternate arms instead of the stomach.

80 years ago, they were life threatening because of anaphalactic reactions to the horse serum they used to produce it.
 
Ignorance is no excuse to go shooting everything you see. But if you know the dog is really going to tear you apart, then of course you need to defend yourself. It doesn't sound like you have a clue about dog behavior, though, and that would come out clearly in court when I sued you for mental anguish, which would only happen after you were convicted for shooting in the city limits, among other things.

It's a mixed bag. Get educated, or get along down the street.
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I will agree that, alot if not most people, would shoot too soon,
Especially since every dog seems to be a Pit these days.
But it is not my job to determine the intent of a dog that is not properly leashed or confined.

If I reasonably can determine intent or if the dog does not approach closely enough to actually cause me harm then I may have to explain myself
While I have been around enough dogs to be able to tell reasonably well their intentions in most cases It is not a prerequisite to my being able to walk down the street

It will also not be a burden placed upon me in court, especially if the dog isn't there to tell his side.

If you do shoot an animal you probably should call the police.
If not you may have a hard time explaining how that dog that you shot dead ended up in the backyard of the owner who called it in and swears that the dog had never left the property.
 
Feed it to the coyotes and ravens :p

I shot a neighbor's dog that was coming over and killing our cats. We warned him once to keep the dog home. There wasn't a darn thing he could about it. It's a pretty common practice for ranchers to shoot all stray dogs on sight around here.

7.62*39 works pretty good and it's cheap too ;)
 
Shoot it, then call the cops.

I have come close to shooting dogs several times and have gone as far as pepper spraying dogs. Does the city or county have a leash law? As a road and mountain biker I have had numerous encounters with dogs and would not hesitate to shoot one if I have to. Learn the laws for Tacoma and if you need to defend yourself, do so. I had a complaint about the owner of a junk yard in Clallam county because his pit bull would get out and chase me on my road bike. That stopped right after a local sheriff told the owner I was within my rights to shoot the dog if it attacked me. I also pepper sprayed a rottweiler and had the police called on me, they were polite enough to tell the owner that he was lucky that was all that happened to the dog.
 
Where I live, we've encroached on the habitat of every Florida critter you can name. Lots of feral cats and dogs, turned loose by stupid owners that found taking care of pets can be lots of work, and they decided they couldn't be bothered. Rabid animals are found often enough that if it's a dog I don't recognize, and it's acting threatening, I will put him down. I'll only do this if I'm not invading his terrority, or giving him reason to be agressive.

Lots of kids where I live, too, and if he'll want to bite me, what d'you think he'll do to an elementary schooler?





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ArmedBear said:
I could fill the court with witnesses who would testify that my dog wouldn't bite you. And I would.

If you can't ride faster than a dog (apart from a whippet or greyhound, which tend not to even notice you, to say nothing of bite) then perhaps you should sell your mountain bike.

But then again, I know when and when not to be afraid of dogs. I don't much care if they bite, either, as long as they don't hurt me.

Ignorance is no excuse to go shooting everything you see. But if you know the dog is really going to tear you apart, then of course you need to defend yourself. It doesn't sound like you have a clue about dog behavior, though, and that would come out clearly in court when I sued you for mental anguish, which would only happen after you were convicted for shooting in the city limits, among other things.

It's a mixed bag. Get educated, or get along down the street.
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ArmedBear If a dog like german shepherd really wants you he'll get you if you are on a mountain bike or not.
Second of all if you can't control your dog and as a last resort someone does shoot it there is not much you can do if you suffer mental anguish.
If you are going to tell someone if they have a clue about dog behavior post it on this thread.
1. If a dog starts baring it's teeth and acting menacingly toward you the first thing you do is do not run. You cannot outrun a full grown breed like a pitbull or a german shepherd. Square off with the dog and in a loud vioce yell at the dog to go home. Most of the time the dog will go away. If the dog doesn't go away he will either charge toward you or start measuring you up by circling you. Continue to face the dog and never turn your back to the dog. If you don't have a gun you better find something to hit him with like a 2X4.
2. What's happening is the dog thinks that you are in his territory so back out slowly legs spread, arms slightly out at your side. Most of the time the dog will sense that you are backing out of his territory and will leave you alone.
3. Very few times after this will you ever encounter a fight with a dog. First because of how you handled yourself with this particular dog. Most dogs respect humans especially men who can handle themselves during an encounter. Tragically more often than not people don't understand dog behavior. If you take flight from a dog who wants to attack you you are in fact giving him the green light and are triggering his responses to do so. This goes with a mountain bike pretty much as well If that dog wants you you will not out peddle him at first and you just might be lucky to do so if you are at full speed.
4. Dogs are territorial by nature and his territory could probably cover a block maybe more if he is agressive and wants that territory. Backing out slowly is your first defense.
 
My sister who runs carries boiled eggs in the shell. She throws them at the dog if needed. Stomach takes over agression sometimes. Me I carry gun, knife and eggs. I would hate to shoot a dog but I would before I let it's teeth latch on.
 
CAll the cops(they run animal control here) and ask them to come get a stray, they check your address. " You are outside the city, shoot them". If you send them the collar and a note with the particulars they will issue a citation to the owner to the tune of $300.

Lots of idiots out here that will not control their animals. The public is intolerant. Too many kids and old folks and livestock getting mauled and maimed. If Armed Bear tried to sue here, they would laugh him out of court, if the judge wasn't busy reaming his backside for failure to control the animal.

Otherwise, just like TallPine says, ranchers shoot all strays on sight. The losses are too high.

Sam
 
I had a problem with a neighbor's dog that they would not keep at home. I told them the dog was a problem and asked them to please keep him confined. Chewed his way into my backyard kennel that had a bitch in heat and my stud dog inside. Woke up to the sounds of a dog fight. That dog just plain old disappeared. I didn't say a word to them about what might have happened and they never asked me or as far as I know anyone else in the neighborhood about the mystery.

Consider fully all your alternatives before you act.
 
In PA (as I recently learned) its shoot first, shoot later, shoot some more then shoot it again.

Really... dogs that in any way *appear* to be menicing to people OR livestock can be shot on site, no questions asked. The kicker is... THEY CAN SHOOT IT EVEN IF ITS ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY... there is no exclusion.

Check this out:

DOG LAW
ACT OF 1982 P.L. 784 NO. 225
DOG LAW - WITH AMENDMENTS
Act of 1996, No. 151

ARTICLE V-A
OFFENSES OF DOGS
Section 501. KILLING DOGS; DOGS AS NUISANCES
(a) LEGAL TO KILL CERTAIN DOGS - Any person may kill any dog which he sees in the act of pursuing or wounding or killing any domestic animal, wounding or killing other dogs, cats or household pets, or pursuing, wounding or attacking human beings, whether or not such a dog bears the license tag required by the provisions of this act. There shall be no liability on such persons in damages or otherwise for such killing.

So when the JBT shoots skippy the pug... he's all legal.
 
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