wabbitkillr
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Both of these guns are priced the same. Wich one is the best? I' looking for honest opinions not hate talk because they aren't one of the "B" guns. Thanks.
Stoeger 2000 or Charles Daly Semi?
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Heard lots of good things about Stoegers, face to face and here. I'm certainly tempted by them, as the Benelli system, though I don't think for a moment that it's the end-all, has its appeal for dirty hunting, but I really do find Benelli's prices to be a joke, at least for some models.
If I had to pick, I'd pick the Stoeger.
Daly is an importer of whatever they can get their hands on this year. They change guns a lot. Parts availability is dubious, as is reputation. How can you rely on others' experiences when they may have a completely different gun. Some years back, they imported Spanish doubles. They imported Zastavas until recently. I wouldn't even know what I'm getting, since information about their stuff can be scarce. Maybe their latest gun is great, and a great deal. Maybe not. How would I know?
That said, the Mossberg 930 is the budget semi I've got an eye on, and the Beretta 3901.
If I had to pick, I'd pick the Stoeger.
Daly is an importer of whatever they can get their hands on this year. They change guns a lot. Parts availability is dubious, as is reputation. How can you rely on others' experiences when they may have a completely different gun. Some years back, they imported Spanish doubles. They imported Zastavas until recently. I wouldn't even know what I'm getting, since information about their stuff can be scarce. Maybe their latest gun is great, and a great deal. Maybe not. How would I know?
That said, the Mossberg 930 is the budget semi I've got an eye on, and the Beretta 3901.
average_shooter
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As for the Stoeger, I will say that felt recoil is not reduced by virtue that it's a semi-auto. The Stoeger 2000 uses the inertia from recoil to cycle the action. Benelli lessens felt recoil in their inertia-action guns by modifying the whole stock itself to act as a shock absorber, which is why even with the same action many say the Benelli has less felt recoil.
One of the reasons I got a M2000 is due to the few, simple parts.
I have not experienced the "flying bolt handle" thing that many others seem to so I'm kind of
to that.
One of the reasons I got a M2000 is due to the few, simple parts.
I have not experienced the "flying bolt handle" thing that many others seem to so I'm kind of
to that.evbutler462
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Stoeger 2000 for me. I have bought two of them. One when they first came out. Another this year. One of the new models. I have never had a problem with either. I couldn't handle the recoil on the original model, so I traded it. When the new model came out, what a difference!! The quality was better, it looked better. I have poured a lot of lead out of this gun with no problems at all. Stoeger listens to their customers. They improved an already good gun. The parts are better finished, the front sight is high viz, the rib is raised enough to get you cheek away from the stock so that you don't get slapped like with the original. It has better fit.
Gun Tests Magazine gives it thumbs up! When compared with the Franchi I-12, it excelled. The Franchi has basically the same action, but had a jamming problem and the charging bolt kept popping out of the bolt. The Stoeger had no worse felt recoil than the I-12. The fancy stock on the I-12 didn't help it with felt recoil.
I recommend the 2000. I also recommend a good recoil pad. The gun is very light and will get your attention with heavier loads.
Gun Tests Magazine gives it thumbs up! When compared with the Franchi I-12, it excelled. The Franchi has basically the same action, but had a jamming problem and the charging bolt kept popping out of the bolt. The Stoeger had no worse felt recoil than the I-12. The fancy stock on the I-12 didn't help it with felt recoil.
I recommend the 2000. I also recommend a good recoil pad. The gun is very light and will get your attention with heavier loads.
I just bought a Stoeger M2000 and it is a fantastic shotgun. No problems whatsoever. Shoots great, recoils light, nice workmanship, balances well, feels good, patterns well. There are not enough good things to say about this gun. And, you barely have to clean it. After 100 rounds, the barrel was the only thing with any fouling in it. The action was practically spotless.
I added the Limbsaver #10008 recoil pad, and a Truglo Titan adjustable choke.
I added the Limbsaver #10008 recoil pad, and a Truglo Titan adjustable choke.
Smitty in CT
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Neither....
Mossberg 930, better value & MADE IN THE USA!!!
Mossberg 930, better value & MADE IN THE USA!!!
Well, a gas-operated gun and a blowback or whatever the hell an "inertia-driven" action really is, are different animals.
If you want a Benelli-style gun for cheap, and are happy to deal with both the pros and cons of that, the Stoeger is a great choice. If you want a gas gun, which I tend to prefer, the 930 is, as Smitty says, a real value and made in the USA.
If you want a Benelli-style gun for cheap, and are happy to deal with both the pros and cons of that, the Stoeger is a great choice. If you want a gas gun, which I tend to prefer, the 930 is, as Smitty says, a real value and made in the USA.
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I had a bad experience with a new Charles Daley semi auto a few years back and promptly traded it at a gunshop. I wouldn't wish it on any of my friends or members of my favorite Forums. Failure to eject was constant. Bolt wouldn't completely close half the time.
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