Black Snowman
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With the multiple grip options it would be pretty tough not to fit unless it was just plain too wide.
The new Beretta PX4 Storm
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As I understand things, the PX4C (Constant action) will be like SIG's DAK trigger, which provides a lighter DA pull on a partially precocked mainspring while keeping repeat strike capability. For obvious cop shop reasons, no manufacturer really calls such trigger groups "Light DAO" so as to not set off alarm bells at the Risk Management Department.
As I understand things, the PX4C (Constant action) will be like SIG's DAK trigger, which provides a lighter DA pull on a partially precocked mainspring while keeping repeat strike capability. For obvious cop shop reasons, no manufacturer really calls such trigger groups "Light DAO" so as to not set off alarm bells at the Risk Management Department.
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BusMaster007
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Tamara said:Wow. Another plastic double stack DA/SA. I can hardly wait.
" Wow. Another 1911 clone, this time by S&W...
Wow. Another revolver made from 'Unobtanium' with 'day-glo' sights...
Wow. I can hardly STAND IT! "
BusMaster007
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OK, kidding aside, I like the new Beretta.
An interesting pistol from the world's OLDEST BUSINESS and GUN MAKER.
I'm waiting to see what other configurations it spawns.
An interesting pistol from the world's OLDEST BUSINESS and GUN MAKER.
I'm waiting to see what other configurations it spawns.
Hey, it looks like an M8000 Cougar slide and barrel (check the photo about the ejection port) on a polymer frame.
All the other "refinements" are just copies of existing pistols (Walther P99 backstrap, SIG-DAK trigger option, Glock take-down lever).
Nothing really original, just the italo-design.
All the other "refinements" are just copies of existing pistols (Walther P99 backstrap, SIG-DAK trigger option, Glock take-down lever).
Nothing really original, just the italo-design.
shoobe01
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Gvass just barely beat me to this.
In what way is this all new, or the first all new design? The 9000s, out for years, are rotating barrels, and this looks like that's how it locks up.
Otherwise, yeah, lots of swoops and grooves. Yea.
Wonder how many more Storms there are? Not gonna be confusing at all.
In what way is this all new, or the first all new design? The 9000s, out for years, are rotating barrels, and this looks like that's how it locks up.
Otherwise, yeah, lots of swoops and grooves. Yea.
Wonder how many more Storms there are? Not gonna be confusing at all.
I don't think anyone has proclaimed it "as an all new design."
All semi-automatic pistols, with notable exceptions, are the result of engineering copycatting.
The rotating lock up was pioneered by Steyr, and refined in the Beretta 8000.
Polymer was introduced in the HK-VP70.
Double stack magazines are from the BHP.
Full disassembly without tools was introduced AFAIK, in the 1911.
The take down levers look Glockish, but on this Beretta, one doesn't have to pull the trigger to get going.
The interchangeable backstraps were Walther's idea.
Interchangeable trigger modes was introduced by HK, but the concept is older than that.
AFAIK, the ability to pick between two sizes of magazine release buttons as a standard feature is Berreta's concept.
I couldn't even hazard a guess at who first started putting rails on pistols, but add on ones were around for years before that.
Front cocking serrations are a lamentable development first introduced on 1911s.
The point of it is, no modern pistol is so revolutionary as to be "all new." The most successful ones, with the exception of older landmarks like the 1911, the HP, the Walther P38 and some others I am surely leaving off, are to some level or other rip-offs of the "greatest hits" of weapon design.
What Beretta will undoubtedly be bringing to the table is a respect for good ergonomics that say, a certain Austrian company that shall remain nameless, lacks. A price point better or competitive with current polymer framed duty weapons. The undeniable name recognition. They also bring a certain Italian flair to the old rectangular "pistol in the shape of its box" that so turns me and others off about polymer pistols.
I am going to give this one a try.
All semi-automatic pistols, with notable exceptions, are the result of engineering copycatting.
The rotating lock up was pioneered by Steyr, and refined in the Beretta 8000.
Polymer was introduced in the HK-VP70.
Double stack magazines are from the BHP.
Full disassembly without tools was introduced AFAIK, in the 1911.
The take down levers look Glockish, but on this Beretta, one doesn't have to pull the trigger to get going.
The interchangeable backstraps were Walther's idea.
Interchangeable trigger modes was introduced by HK, but the concept is older than that.
AFAIK, the ability to pick between two sizes of magazine release buttons as a standard feature is Berreta's concept.
I couldn't even hazard a guess at who first started putting rails on pistols, but add on ones were around for years before that.
Front cocking serrations are a lamentable development first introduced on 1911s.
The point of it is, no modern pistol is so revolutionary as to be "all new." The most successful ones, with the exception of older landmarks like the 1911, the HP, the Walther P38 and some others I am surely leaving off, are to some level or other rip-offs of the "greatest hits" of weapon design.
What Beretta will undoubtedly be bringing to the table is a respect for good ergonomics that say, a certain Austrian company that shall remain nameless, lacks. A price point better or competitive with current polymer framed duty weapons. The undeniable name recognition. They also bring a certain Italian flair to the old rectangular "pistol in the shape of its box" that so turns me and others off about polymer pistols.
I am going to give this one a try.
I was going to ask if it can do SAO Condition 1 like a CZ, but then I saw the same old backwards safety, so probably now.
So HK still has the only plastic gun that can. And Walther still has the only plastic gun with good ergonomics. Oh well. No combo here.
So HK still has the only plastic gun that can. And Walther still has the only plastic gun with good ergonomics. Oh well. No combo here.
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No carbon fiber?
I think looking back you will find that I have not "pimped" this pistol in any untoward manner.
When a listing of specifications and providing some pictures here becomes "advertising" it is a dark day for common sense.
Are we not supposed to discuss new products by major firearms companies? FYI, the only Beretta I currently own is a 950 mousegun. That said, I have always enjoyed the Berettas that have come into my possession and I am going to give this one a try. Not because it is innovative or anything, but because Beretta usually does a good job of providing a tough enough, accurate enough, and highly reliable pistol at a reasonable price.
That I consider it better looking (at least the slick slide version) than its immediate competitors and apparently has a correct grip angle is just a bonus.
stevelyn
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They are not front cocking serrations. They are to aid in press checking.
Yeah ........Some dolt in a back office at BATF hasn't yet determined if it meets "sporting purposes" yet.
Lets not get so hung up on copycat engineering folks, all handgun engineers all have same job, "Make this fit a human hand, but dont make this company go broke."
It's kinda like saying all jumbo jets look alike since they have the same cigar tube with wings, engines and a tail stuck on it. Now if Boeing makes the blended wing body jet, that would be a new engineering move. Plus a flying wing jumbo jet just looks really cool and is more efficient.
It's kinda like saying all jumbo jets look alike since they have the same cigar tube with wings, engines and a tail stuck on it. Now if Boeing makes the blended wing body jet, that would be a new engineering move. Plus a flying wing jumbo jet just looks really cool and is more efficient.
Flying V
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I hope the 12 round .45 mags fit the .45 CX4 I just bought.
that new px4 looks so badass, really nice looking gun, too bad they still have the retarded safety placement. but i cant wait to try one out.
oh and for the "walther is the only good ergonomics......" have you held a taurus 24/7 9mm or 40SW?? with the ribber grip, thumb safety, 1911 grip angle, etc, you cant beat that if you're right handed.
oh and for the "walther is the only good ergonomics......" have you held a taurus 24/7 9mm or 40SW?? with the ribber grip, thumb safety, 1911 grip angle, etc, you cant beat that if you're right handed.
Longbow
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I've handled it!
Its actually slimmer than the 92fs even with the largest (most arched) back strap panel. The trigger pull is somewhat lighter, but still too long for my taste. I think Glock's and 1911's really spoiled me on trigger pull preference.
Its actually slimmer than the 92fs even with the largest (most arched) back strap panel. The trigger pull is somewhat lighter, but still too long for my taste. I think Glock's and 1911's really spoiled me on trigger pull preference.
KLR
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Sorry, but when it first came out I was put off by the size. It is a fairly big gun and fairly heavy for a polymer frame. Count me out. A subcompact might bear a closer look . . .
modifiedbrowning
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It looks like the unwanted child of a Steyr GB and CZ P-01. I'm sure it will be a quality piece, but it makes a Glock look attractive.
Silver Bullet
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I appreciate that; I was actually about to scroll back to the top of the page 1 from the end of page 1 to view it again, and I decided to Go For It ! On to Page 2 ! And there it was again. You saved me the trouble.
I like the looks of it, but then again my Beretta-bias is pro.
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