new_steyr1
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What's the smallest and thinest CC pistol in either 9mm or 40SW?
thinest and smallest CC pistol in 9mm or 40SW?
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not the right answer, but I have to say it
You could get a glock 23 and a 9mm conversion barrel and 9mm mags plus ammo cheaper than just a rohrbaug.
You could get a glock 23 and a 9mm conversion barrel and 9mm mags plus ammo cheaper than just a rohrbaug.
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Well you're a new member. I don't know if you're new to guns, but if you are the Rohrbaugh isn't the way to go IMHO. The Rohrbaugh is expesive and is not fun to practice with. Aside from that it is my understanding that they don't advise shooting it very often if you arn't going to replace the springs.
I would have to vote Kel-Tec PF9. Now I don't want to sound like a hypocrite but the truth is the PF9 isn't much fun to shoot either. You can't go wrong with it though. If you really hate it your only down $250 and can probably sell it for $225 pretty easily. Just my .02 Good luck
I would have to vote Kel-Tec PF9. Now I don't want to sound like a hypocrite but the truth is the PF9 isn't much fun to shoot either. You can't go wrong with it though. If you really hate it your only down $250 and can probably sell it for $225 pretty easily. Just my .02 Good luck
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Kahr PM9 for the win!
OregonJohnny
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I've been studying this exact subject as of late. My Springfield XD-40 subcompact is too thick to be comfortable for me to conceal IWB (in waist band). Here's what you seem to be looking for: a 9mm or .40S&W single stack with thin profile grips. The Rohrbaugh has been mentioned, but last I checked, they run around $900-$1000, if you can find one. The Walther PPS 9mm is .91" wide at the thickest part of grip compared to about 1.25" for a Glock, XD, or 1911 with standard grip panels. The PPS doesn't excite me for some reason. It's not pretty to look at, and the ergonomics, especially the magazine release, look uncomfortable.
The Sig 239 is a single stack 9mm. It looks like heaven and probably shoots like heaven, too. But it's on the large side for a single stack. About 1.2" wide at the grip.
The thinnest 1911-style 9mm is the Springfield EMP, which is about 1.1" thick in the grip I think.
The new Kahr P380 measures less than .75" thick at the thickest part of the grip. But it's a .380. And those will probably be hard to find for a while until they are out for a while.
I've thought a lot about the Kahr PM and MK 9 and 40. I've never shot one. I've heard both good and bad things about them, with the majority been positive. If I ever get my hands on a PM9 to shoot and it proves reliable for me, I'd consider picking one up. They are in the same size league as the Ruger, Seecamp, Kel-Tec, etc. mouse guns.
Anyway, hope some of that helps or gives you some stuff to research. Kahr PM9, Walther PPS, Rohrbaugh R9, Springfield EMP, Sig 239, Kel-Tec PF-9. Start there.
The Sig 239 is a single stack 9mm. It looks like heaven and probably shoots like heaven, too. But it's on the large side for a single stack. About 1.2" wide at the grip.
The thinnest 1911-style 9mm is the Springfield EMP, which is about 1.1" thick in the grip I think.
The new Kahr P380 measures less than .75" thick at the thickest part of the grip. But it's a .380. And those will probably be hard to find for a while until they are out for a while.
I've thought a lot about the Kahr PM and MK 9 and 40. I've never shot one. I've heard both good and bad things about them, with the majority been positive. If I ever get my hands on a PM9 to shoot and it proves reliable for me, I'd consider picking one up. They are in the same size league as the Ruger, Seecamp, Kel-Tec, etc. mouse guns.
Anyway, hope some of that helps or gives you some stuff to research. Kahr PM9, Walther PPS, Rohrbaugh R9, Springfield EMP, Sig 239, Kel-Tec PF-9. Start there.
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GZOh_Jr
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I was just at the store checking out CCWs today.
The Glock 26 is a bit thinner--1.18". Yes, the PPS and all 9mm Kahrs are ~.90" and are nice and thin. However, the Kahrs have this huge, sharp slide release that juts out from the side and is completely out of place considering the otherwise sleek lines of the Kahrs.
I liked the PPS, but it seemed pricey compared to what you got (i.e., when compared the less expensive Glock). But I was very impressed with the Taurus Millenium Pro 111. It too is barely over an inch but had great ergonomics and is barely over $300. I also held a Kel-tec, but it was not in the same league as the other guns by any stretch--it would only be considered if I absolutely positively could not afford anything else.
The last .10th of an inch or so of grip size didn't really matter to me as much as the overall feel of the gun. So...I came away liking the Glock (also for the ability to buy a .22 slide for cheap practicing) altogether, but thinking about how tempting the Taurus was at its price.
I think the determining factor will be the status of my bank account on the day that I decide to buy.
The Glock 26 is a bit thinner--1.18". Yes, the PPS and all 9mm Kahrs are ~.90" and are nice and thin. However, the Kahrs have this huge, sharp slide release that juts out from the side and is completely out of place considering the otherwise sleek lines of the Kahrs.
I liked the PPS, but it seemed pricey compared to what you got (i.e., when compared the less expensive Glock). But I was very impressed with the Taurus Millenium Pro 111. It too is barely over an inch but had great ergonomics and is barely over $300. I also held a Kel-tec, but it was not in the same league as the other guns by any stretch--it would only be considered if I absolutely positively could not afford anything else.
The last .10th of an inch or so of grip size didn't really matter to me as much as the overall feel of the gun. So...I came away liking the Glock (also for the ability to buy a .22 slide for cheap practicing) altogether, but thinking about how tempting the Taurus was at its price.
I think the determining factor will be the status of my bank account on the day that I decide to buy.
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O/J if you have occasion to head south a bit, the indoor range near here has all Kahr flavors in stock to rent.
That's where I learned that I couldn't live without them!
We're 180 miles south of the border in Chico.
That's where I learned that I couldn't live without them!
We're 180 miles south of the border in Chico.
IdahoLT1
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Id say any of the Kahrs. Much more concealable than the Glock SC and XD sc.
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the PPS is thin, and shoots nice too!
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Springfield EMP 1911 style 9mm. I love mine. Heck of a gun in a small package. Very concealable. I can't say enough good things about it. Probably my favorite sidearm ever (ok....a tie with my Sig P220)
Springfield EMP 1911 style 9mm. I love mine. Heck of a gun in a small package. Very concealable. I can't say enough good things about it. Probably my favorite sidearm ever (ok....a tie with my Sig P220)
Stick with a 9mm. The .40 is just too punishing in a tiny gun. If it isn't pleasant to shoot, you won't practice and you may pick up bad habits to boot.
I have the Kahr MK9 and love it, and it is extremely pleasant to shoot, but it is heavy for its small size.
You might look at the CW9 as well as the PF9 and the Walther PPS is certainly a candidate.
I have the Kahr MK9 and love it, and it is extremely pleasant to shoot, but it is heavy for its small size.
You might look at the CW9 as well as the PF9 and the Walther PPS is certainly a candidate.
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EMP 9mm
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But you'd still be stuck with a Glock.
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kahr and keltec are the smallest FUNCTIONAL ones i've found. the Rohrbaugh is definitely pricey and i'm not sure if it's worth it. if it's strictly for concealed carry i'd take the aforementioned 2 over glock and XD. i own all of them and they definitely carry very differently.
I have a PM40 which is easy to carry and fun to shoot. I don't object to the recoil, but it definitely gets your attention.
I've had it for about 5 years. I saw one today at the gun store for $800. I don't know if I'd pay that for it, however.
I've had it for about 5 years. I saw one today at the gun store for $800. I don't know if I'd pay that for it, however.
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For about the same money, you could buy a Rohrbaugh or 4 PF-9's.
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Hi Gunners,
I've got a Star BKM which is very flat, handles easily (even with my big hands), is light, and shoots to point of aim very well for a carry piece. Gotta' use ammo with a nicely rounded bullet shape or your aggressive hollow points will quickly dig gouges in the feed ramp impeding their use.
I've got mine loaded with either Glasers or BATs (European hotrod 9s which I've owned since the late 70s/ early 80s).
It's not tiny, like some of the new ultra 9mm packages; but, like I said; it works in my big hands.
Unfortunately, Star went belly up some years back. So, you've gotta' look for a pre-owned piece. For which, I am seeking, myself.
Just my opinion...but, I've handled a bunch of other tiny blasters which you really need a lot of practice to handle confidently.
Z
Hi Gunners,
I've got a Star BKM which is very flat, handles easily (even with my big hands), is light, and shoots to point of aim very well for a carry piece. Gotta' use ammo with a nicely rounded bullet shape or your aggressive hollow points will quickly dig gouges in the feed ramp impeding their use.
I've got mine loaded with either Glasers or BATs (European hotrod 9s which I've owned since the late 70s/ early 80s).
It's not tiny, like some of the new ultra 9mm packages; but, like I said; it works in my big hands.
Unfortunately, Star went belly up some years back. So, you've gotta' look for a pre-owned piece. For which, I am seeking, myself.
Just my opinion...but, I've handled a bunch of other tiny blasters which you really need a lot of practice to handle confidently.
Z
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