This can't be true, you can't have guns in NYC?

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The woman is from my city, and probably went to school with my (antigun, now living in New York) brother.
 
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Mr. Sparks (her fiance) said Ms. duFresne was strongly against capital punishment, and would have felt some sympathy for her young attacker. "This isn't about some bad, murdering criminal," he said. "It's about a culture that makes it so easy for kids to have guns."
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Mr. Sparks (her fiance) said Ms. duFresne was strongly against capital punishment, and would have felt some sympathy for her young attacker.
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Too bad we can't ask her about her views on capital punishment now.

"This isn't about some bad, murdering criminal," he said. "It's about a culture that makes it so easy for kids to have guns."
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No, it's about a culture that produces easy victims. And yes, it is about some bad murdering criminal (such as the one that cut down his intended wife).
 
I'ts easy for kids that are criminals to have guns. By the very concept of being a criminal, it's natural that stealing a gun or otherwise acquiring it illegally is part of their lifestyle.

I feel sad for the guy and for the family of the young woman who was killed.

The boyfriend was on "Good Morning, America" this morning. Strange duck. No discernable anger. He hopes the shooter is captured, sent to prison, and comes out of prison a better man for his experience.
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And the guy thinks that prison will turn this criminal piece of dog-doo around and make him a new person and law-abiding citizen?? What needs to happen is that once the murderer is caught, he gets a needle in his arm. It sounds like the shooter didn't really care about taking a life once the girl confronted him. Isn't that somethink like "Depraved Indifference"

Maybe one way to clean up problems like this is to use the death penalty in a new way. Take the criminal to the city and execute him in public. Invite the gangs, the robbers, rapists and the typical low-lifes and show them right there that things are going to change. And tell the ACLU to take a flying leap.
 
Too bad we can't ask her about her views on capital punishment now
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It's obvious her and her shooter had diametrically opposing viewpoints.

He hopes the shooter is captured, sent to prison, and comes out of prison a better man for his experience.
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I have a better idea...

Let's give the shooter a nice dirt nap and let (insert your personal supreme being) rehabilitate him.
 
Maybe one way to clean up problems like this is to use the death penalty in a new way. Take the criminal to the city and execute him in public. Invite the gangs, the robbers, rapists and the typical low-lifes and show them right there that things are going to change. And tell the ACLU to take a flying leap.
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I've advocated the return of public executions for a long time. Preferably by hanging like we used to do. Although firing squad would would as well if some are concerned about the criminals "suffering".

Darn shame about the young woman being murdered.
 
When I was living in the city (there's only one :cool: ) stupid, murderous, asswipes didn't always use guns on unarmed people who resisted muggings. A kid from Idaho got stabbed on a subway platform while trying to intervene in a (his mom's, iirc) mugging. He died.

Simple lesson-

Bad guy(s) has a gun, knife whatever, and you are unarmed? Give up the friggin' purse!

You are armed? Are you and your loved ones/friends in danger? Will you all survive the encounter if you decide to be Rambo? Make a sound judgement call.
 
I think this would have never happened had the Five-SeveN been banned.

Seriously though it is not only an unfortunate incident but a naive perspective on life for the fiance.
 
I might get flamed for this but try to understand my point before you start flaming.
It is my opinion that these folks had no buisness in that part of NYC to begin with ....this tragic story happened in a ugly part of town that is being invaded by naive out of town "artsy" type folks who are looking for cheap rent and are trying to carve out a little piece of the city for themselves....good luck.
How do I know this?......I live there and have lived there my entire life.
True they have every legal right to go anywhere they choose to go and I support them doing so but you have to understand how naive some people are to there surroundings....this is a bad and dangerous place and no matter how artistic and full of love you are you better watch your ass and use common sense.
Flame on!
 
I might get flamed for this but try to understand my point before you start flaming.
It is my opinion that these folks had no buisness in that part of NYC to begin with ....this tragic story happened in a ugly part of town that is being invaded by naive out of town "artsy" type folks who are looking for cheap rent and are trying to carve out a little piece of the city for themselves....good luck.
How do I know this?......I live there and have lived there my entire life.
True they have every legal right to go anywhere they choose to go and I support them doing so but you have to understand how naive some people are to there surroundings....this is a bad and dangerous place and no matter how artistic and full of love you are you better watch your ass and use common sense.
Flame on!
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I agree completly. They were pretty ignorant to go there unprepared, when the place is known for such activity. The same goes for unarmed Americans in Iraq.
 
Yep: that's New York.
for 35 years I walked around that town with an unlicensed, unregistered, no I won't show you my gun .
I know I wasn't alone.

AFS
 
:banghead:
"This isn't about some bad, murdering criminal," he said. "It's about a culture that makes it so easy for kids to have guns."
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NO. It's not about guns, it's about a culture that will not punish bad, murdering criminals. and makes it easy for kids to get away with awful crimes. :banghead:

I suppose if the kid beat her with a tire iron it would have been society's fault for having cars and allowing kids access to heavy pieces of metal. :rolleyes:

This guy gets a pass on ridiculous comments, I guess. But you should only get a pass if you actually speak from anger or sorrow.
 
"Mr. Sparks (her fiance) said Ms. duFresne was strongly against capital punishment, and would have felt some sympathy for her young attacker. "This isn't about some bad, murdering criminal," he said. "It's about a culture that makes it so easy for kids to have guns.""------------

:eek:

Just when I think I have seen/heard/read all aspects of human stupidity possible, someone surprises me.
 
Their is a certain irony .......this happened on CLINTON st...Hmmmmmmm?
The lower east side has been a rough place since I was a kid and I figure it will be like that for a long time.
There is an old saying that I grew up hearing about alphabet city "the northern part of the lower east side" If you go to (ave A you might be ALLRIGHT),.......
(ave B BE carefull),....(ave C yer CRAZY),......(ave D yer DEAD) ......bad place stay away.
 
NO. It's not about guns, it's about a culture that will not punish bad, murdering criminals. and makes it easy for kids to get away with awful crimes.
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I couldnt agree more

I say bring back capital punishment...and enforce it,there would be zero repeat offenders..its about criminals thinking they can get away with it or serving a minimum sentance and turned loose again.no responsability what so ever for the murderous :neener:
 
That area is kinda ugly to be wandering around at 3AM

These MN natives have assimilated well in to the NYC liberal culture. They believe that they can talk their way out of trouble. Well she talked her way dead. Maybe others will learn from this. (Unlikely)
 
These MN natives have assimilated well in to the NYC liberal culture.
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Nicole was a MN native but she had spent several years of her life out here in Seattle. She moved from here to NYC.

Lemme tell you, Seattle is a lot different!

Washington has has CCW since the 1930s.
Seattle is one of the politest cities you will ever encounter.
I know. I have seen a lot of big cities.

When I first moved here I had several occasions to walk several miles in downtown Seattle at 3am to meet up with other musicians.
No problem. You see people. You see a lot of people. You see a lot of drugged out homeless people. Only twice did I ever feel in the least bit nervous. And all it took was eye contact and a firm NO to change those situations.


So you see Nicole DuFresne moved from a cuty where you can walk the streets at 3 am to a place that isn't very safe a 3 PM!


I guess she didn't get the memo.
 
I feel very badly about this young ladys tragic end. I hear her boyfriend and I hear the bleating of sheep. Baaaahhhhhh!!! Baaaaaaahhhhh!

God help us all! :(
 
It sounds like the shooter didn't really care about taking a life once the girl confronted him. Isn't that somethink like "Depraved Indifference"
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Sounds more like another of the very common racist hate crimes of violence committed mostly by Blacks in the US.
 
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