Took the plunge: Ruger SR9!

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My biggest problem with the pistol is the spacing between the slide and safety. Too easy to pinch yourself when racking the slide. I did it myself twice when first handling it, and watched someone else draw blood the first time they picked it up.
 
The thumb safety IS poorly done.
I've got Cylinder & Slide looking into what they might be able to do with it.
Denis
 
Good range report. I'd like to shoot one myself and see how I like it. Even my wife has expressed *very* mild interest,so hey,that's enough reason to buy one right?

Out of the new crop of polymer pistols,I'm really liking the SR9 the best. I'm not too sure about the thumb safety though,it looks like they just put it wherever it would fit. But,to me anyway,it's better than no thumb safety,like Glock.

(Please don't tell me that I'm the safety. I know. I own Glocks and like them. Thumb safeties just make me happy.:))
 
I'm not sure why everybody gets hung up on the position of the thumb-safety. I plan to get an SR9, and I'll carry it with the safety off. That way the operation is same as any other pistol like a Glock or whatever. Don't pull the trigger if you don't want it to shoot. And when you draw to shoot, all you have to do is pull the trigger (just like my revolvers and my Sig). No safety needed. I fully intend to ignore the safety just like I would ignore the lock on a new S&W revolver.
 
Having owned Ruger pistols in the past I've always been impressed with the quality and ruggedness of their pistols. I think the SR9 shares those same characteristics, it feels very solid far more so than my M&P. Finally, I think the price will set it apart from many of the other options, for under $400 you're getting a solid, attractive, striker fire pistol made by Ruger,...

Yeah, after reading about them, playing with one in a shop, that was my take. Ruger generally makes extremely competent pistols for the market they are trying to hit. Their autoloaders in general have had a reputation of being more solid than lithe. But they weren't aimed at seducing people away from the 1911 market. :)

Ruger autoloaders were (and maybe are, I don't know) very popular with police agencies. Why? Low in price, reliable as all get out, and as accurate as they needed to be for that market.

Ruger obviously needed a striker fired polymer to compete for contracts in some of those markets. What do I expect? That Ruger will build an autolaoder that is low in price, reliable as all get out, and as accurate at they need to be for that market.

I suspect the people who pick the SR9 for practical CCW reasons will be extremely happy with it. People who want a "bragging" pistol will get something else. Ruger centerfire autos aren't made for bragging rights - purely a function/cost tradeoff.

The one I held fit my hand very well. It seemed like an entirely competent pistol. I bought an AR-24 because I liked the heft of the steel frame - but I was buying a range gun, not a carry weapon. If I was interested in a pistol for CCW, I would have picked up the SR9. For people who are interested in carrying, it looks a slim light 9mm with a decent capacity. I'd call it a winner.

Mike
 
I'm not impressed.

Trigger- Long, uncomfortable, and gritty.

Frame - Long but comfy

Safety - Useless if you choose to use it

Mag release - Ambi, and like an XD but not as easy to operate.

Price - Good but too close to an XD to make it worth it.


As far as popularity with LEAs. I've yet to see one on a LEO or talked to an officer who said they were issued Ruger autos.
 
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Ben,
The thing with the safety is that it's too small, has sharpish corners, and is located awkwardly.
Size matters to me because I view it from the orientation of a retired cop. Drawing the pistol in a hurry, under stress, with maybe a less than ideal grip, in the rain or with sweaty hands, with most of your concentration on somebody who's trying to kill you or somebody near you, possibly while wrestling, it's a whole different situation than sitting calmly at a range table & popping away at paper. I need a BIG & easily wiped off safety lever, if it's there at all.
I found the corners too sharp, in conjunction with the shaving edges on the slide serrations. Pinched & gouged my hand in working the slide.
Located too high, in conjunction with the above features, and gets in the way on working the slide.

Just don't use the safety?
Again, from the viewpoint of a career cop very familiar with Murphy & his Law, if there's a safety on the pistol, I need it to be structured such that it can be instantly and positively confirmed to be OFF! Safety levers get knocked around, and they don't always end up where you leave 'em. A good holster can go a long way in covering an external safety lever to prevent it getting off-safed (or on-safed), but I need to be able to instantly get the pistol up, out, and ready to go. With a 1911 and a high thumbs hold, I guarantee the lever's down no matter where it started out when it came into my hand. If I were going to carry the SR9, I'd need the same situation, and the dinky little lever just doesn't make it for me. Yes, I know it's harder to put ON than to take OFF safe, but....see above. :)
I carried a nice little S&W 4516 on & off duty years ago, liked the pistol's size & power. One day at a training session with my department, the slide-mounted safety got itself activated. Since I didn't normally carry the pistol with the safety on, and it was awkwardly located up on the slide, I didn't have any routine in place to automatically ensure the safety was OFF when it came time to fire the thing. Dropped some time in figuring out what was wrong (tap, rack, bang don't fix that problem), so not a big deal at the range, but could have been on the street.
I retired that Smith as soon as I could get qualified with another maker's pistol that did not have that safety setup.

It's an individual situation, and isn't necessarily an issue for a range toy. For me it is, and that's why I'm having C&S look into modifying the SR9's lever. :)

Denis
 
Like I said I was using this gun all day in a defensive pistol class working from the holster and drawing from concealment. I had no issue pushing the safety switch down very quickly and smoothly just as the gun left the holster and started to rotate forward. I didn't find it any less easy than removing the safety from my BHP or 1911. Putting the safety back on was a little bit more difficult but in a life or death situation I'm more concerned with getting the safety off in a hurry. Also my instructor who was an ex-cop had no problem doing it either and he's the one who actually suggested to me that I remove the safety with my right thumb and restore the safety with the left.

I will also say that one of the things I really like about the safety on the SR9 is how strong it is, when its up it clicks up very positively and when its down it stays down, there is no in between. This could be one of the reasons besides placement that makes the safety difficult to disengage, you really have to push down or up firmly to get the safety on and off.

To each his own, I understand where you are coming from and it was a big concern for me as well until I started practicing with it and realized its not as big a deal as I was making it out to be. Still the safety is the one thing about the gun that I would like to see modified, an extended thumb rest would improve the overall feel dramatically. If they ever provide one as a replacement part for this gun I would certainly go for it.
 
N,
Typically, in a training class, when you're THINKING about the process as you go along, and your attention's more likely to be on what you're doing than what the target's doing, it's not as critical.

As a former firearms instructor, and one exposed to Ayoob, Farnum, Tueller, and Taylor, along with a number of years in uniform, I can categorically state that once the stress of handling a "target" that may be trying to kill you with knife, club, or gun hits, your attention will not be on the draw & presentation process. Much goes to spit under those circumstances.

Yes, training and ingrained motor responses will carry through where conscious thought does not, but, those are large muscle movements, and fine motor skills deteriorate rapidly.

In a high stress encounter, your brain will be attempting to process incoming information streams, and tachy/psyche effects will kick in. You will not be concentrating on making sure that little safety really did get wiped off as your thumb went on by. You will not put conscious thought into making sure you put enough pressure on it to positively disengage. The pattern will most likely be there (with no guarantee even then), and the relatively large-muscle-movement of swiping your thumb down over the lever will most likely happen, but with the size of that safety lever, it's very easy to just slip right on over it without deactivating it completely. (Ruger, incidentally, warns in the manual about not leaving the safety half on or half off. They may have some concerns about that lever to cause the caution to be there.)
The part of your brain that controls the thumb response will most likely (there are no absolutes) do its job, but the conscious part that emphasizes making sure the lever actually went down at the range, won't engage in a hyper-active threatening situation.

This has even been known to happen with 1911 users, in forgetting (lack of repetitious practice) to hit the safety, or in not engaging a smaller lever completely, under stress.
We teach certain principles (secure but accessible holster, simple to bring into action handgun, visible sights, usable trigger pull, etc.), and borrowing from the 1911 platform, one that I find important is that a defensive pistol should have certain attributes, among which are prominent & easily accessible controls.

The SR9's not a bad pistol, it can just be a better pistol.
Not, incidentally, the only pistol in the world I say that about in factory form. :)

If the stock safety works for you, great! :D

Denis
 
I agree with you completely don't get me wrong.

In fact I'm one who doesn't like manual safeties on my carry guns to begin with and even though the SR9 has one it doesn't mean I'll be using it;)

My instructor yesterday is top notch and I have a lot of respect for him and he insisted that I train manipulating the safety for the class. However I carried the gun all day today with the safety off and wasn't worried. Like when I carry my 1911 I only rely on the backstrap I never use the manual safety and I refuse to carry my BHP because the only safety is the one on the side of the frame and I don't want to carry with it up.

I couldn't agree more that in a high stress situation the last thing you want is to forget to disengage the safety switch:banghead: Its funny some people don't like carrying Glocks and the like because there is no manual safety on them, but I'm just the opposite, I prefer no manual safety on my carry guns. However I think the beauty of the SR9 is that it can appeal to people who feel either way. If you want a gun with a manual safety you have that option or if you're like me I'll carry it safety off and treat it like a Glock or M&P. The XD also appealed to a lot of people for this reason because it has the backstrap safety like a 1911 which I always through was brilliant.

No, for me I'm carrying it safety off, even though I no I can manipulate easily it doesn't change my feelings about manual safeties on carry guns.

Good discussion topic, thanks for your thoughts! I'm sure there are many that will look at us both and say you are both crazy:D
-Nate
 
As far as popularity with LEAs. I've yet to see one on a LEO or talked to an officer who said they were issued Ruger autos.

I haven't looked at CDNN for a while, but they used to have a ton of police trade-ins. Whenever I come across a list of weapons issued to departments on the web, Ruger figures prominently.

Mike
 
People certainly do tell me I'm both crazy. :D
Unfortunately, got word back from C&S today that there's nothing they'd be interested in trying to do with that safety. Had my hopes up. :)
Denis
 
Murphy dictates that if you're carrying a gun with a safety, and you need to use it, it'll be in whatever state you didn't want it to be. We have the four rules because we don't trust mechanical devices or our memories. Life and death is too important to leave to "Oh, I know the safety's on". It's also too important to leave to "Oh, I know the safety's off."

Learn the manual of arms your pistol actually has. If you don't like a pistol's manual of arms, don't buy it.

I had my DA CZ-SP01 converted to SAO even though it's entirely possible to carry the DA version cocked 'n locked. In most things in life, choices are good, options are good. When it comes to guns, every choice is just another door for Murphy to sneak in.
 
After handling one at a gunshow last month, I'm still of the opinion that if the safety were changed to a new design with a slightly extended ledge to it, I think most of the issues with it's location would be fixed. Right now, it's too far back on the frame, at least for my hand, and it's shape and small size just makes it all the more difficult to use effectively and quickly.
 
Just wanted to add that its true what they say about removing the magazine disconnect, It took me all of about 1 minute to do.

Remove the firing pin and the mag disconnect falls out of its slot, simple as that.
 
Was at the same show and traded a couple of guns against a new Beretta PX4 9mm that was listed at $469 with Bear Arms (really great guy to deal with).

At $7 parking and $15 a head entrance, someone is doing very well out of those shows, every hall was packed with people.
 
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