Transporting Primers/Powder when Moving

[splattergun]

But officer, I can’t wear my shoes I have 25000 primers stored in them.

Those are some pretty big shoes!

 

[Soonerpesek]

But officer, I can’t wear my shoes I have 25000 primers stored in them.

You're good as long as it's not 25,001.........

 

[CQB45ACP]

I may be getting too far off topic, but here’s a link to all US jurisdictions that reference NFPA 495

https://codefinder.nfpa.org/?country=United States of America&nfpanumber=495

Thanks…my county’s fire marshal cites to nfpa 495

 

[atonguis]

Just something to think about, I have had friends traveling through New York with their firearms completely out of reach and locked up get pulled over and searched and arrested because the magazines held more than 10 rounds. I guess think about what you are moving compared to what the laws are in each state. I was pissed when I heard about this because they were just passing through but it is their law. I am thinking about moving out to Montana or close to there and all this has got me thinking as I have some stuff to move!

 

[CQB45ACP]

Just something to think about, I have had friends traveling through New York with their firearms completely out of reach and locked up get pulled over and searched and arrested because the magazines held more than 10 rounds. I guess think about what you are moving compared to what the laws are in each state. I was pissed when I heard about this because they were just passing through but it is their law. I am thinking about moving out to Montana or close to there and all this has got me thinking as I have some stuff to move!

Why were they pulled over and what was basis of probable cause for the search of their vehicle?

Before I retired I and many coworkers traveled through and to New York daily and no one I know of was ever pulled for no reason. But certainly could happen I suppose.

 

[rkittine]

Reasons seem to always be found if someone wants to search you too badly.

 

[CQB45ACP]

Reasons seem to always be found if someone wants to search you too badly.

That has never been my experience over my lifetime (I’m now 70). I would simply politely ask the officer to double check with their supervisor while I called my attorney.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Driving barefoot in most states is also illegal! careful people

It's not just legal but almost a requirement here in Florida.

The wood crate I understand - sort of - but the 50lb limit kind of confuses me. Don't matter, the law's the law but, it just seems kind of arbitrary.

 

[Archie]

Reasons seem to always be found if someone wants to search you too badly.

You're missing the point. There HAS to be some reason that particular car was selected to find a reason to search rather than this other particular car.

 

[jmorris]

Hauling my oxygen/acetylene tanks, propane tanks, gasoline tanks when we moved were all more hazardous to haul than my powder and primers, last time we moved.

Just imagine how bad the shortage would be if no single vehicle could have 20 lbs of powder in it at any given time?

I almost always fill the entire 48lbs that powder valley will ship on a single hazmat fee, that comes in one vehicle and is a mix of primers and powder, in cardboard.

 

[packetloss]

Just something to think about, I have had friends traveling through New York with their firearms completely out of reach and locked up get pulled over and searched and arrested because the magazines held more than 10 rounds. I guess think about what you are moving compared to what the laws are in each state. I was pissed when I heard about this because they were just passing through but it is their law. I am thinking about moving out to Montana or close to there and all this has got me thinking as I have some stuff to move!

Unfortunately that is how NY handles things and it's technically illegal. Not sure how they get away with it. Your friends should be able to get it dismissed and probably file a counter suit. So long as you are legally allowed in both the starting state and destination state FOPA protects you.

FOPA protects transportation through a state. If you're obeying the laws of your starting and ending state and have the gun stored compliant with FOPA, then federal law trumps any local law (unloaded and locked out of reach).
Keep the gun unloaded and locked up so that you cannot access it while driving (trunk or locked in the back of an SUV). Only stop in suspect states for food and gas. Keep a copy of the 'Safe Passage' part of FOPA with you. Film any traffic stop. If the harassment happens, at least you'll have proof for your lawsuit.

 

[Mark_Mark]

It's not just legal but almost a requirement here in Florida.

The wood crate I understand - sort of - but the 50lb limit kind of confuses me. Don't matter, the law's the law but, it just seems kind of arbitrary.

I follow those arbitrary thing so my insurance will cover me incase. Thats it! Wonder if there ever was a case of insurance not covering because driver was bare footed ???

 

[CQB45ACP]

It's not just legal but almost a requirement here in Florida.

The wood crate I understand - sort of - but the 50lb limit kind of confuses me. Don't matter, the law's the law but, it just seems kind of arbitrary.

Aren’t most laws establishing limits, quantities, etc., arbitrary? Or maybe the authorities follow the science?

A couple of years ago, before I started this hobby, I would’ve thought the powder and primer limits were reasonable and perhaps even too high. But today I think they’re too low. Way too low. And 25000 Remington pistol primers would fit in a shoe box because of their minimal packaging.

Not the same thing, but does concern arbitrary limits: back in 1980ish when VA had its first one gun a month limit, a local (now long gone) reloading business had a sign in their window, “Buy one gun a month, it’s the law.” The place is now a Pho noodle joint or similar.

Here’s one of their flyers I ran across the other day:

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I follow those arbitrary thing so my insurance will cover me incase. Thats it! Wonder if there ever was a case of insurance not covering because driver was bare footed ???

As I understand it from my insurance underwriter's documentation, compliance with their recommended inspection and mitigation gains me a whole bunch of coverage with minimal additional fees and arbitration instead of denial in a dispute. If the insurance investigator tries to claim my powder storage caused more damage than if there hadn't been any powder or if the storage had been better, they have to prove that through evidence, not just the investigator's opinion, and they have to pay THEN request arbitration. It's not just my primers and powders, though. We have special riders for our guns, rare books, stamp/coin collections, my wife's jewelry... everything of real value that can't be replaced via standard retail. We have to have the books and jewelry inspected annually and certified as to their condition and value. Insurance is gambling: the underwriter is betting you will have a long and prosperous life of paying the highest possible premiums; and, you are betting you will suffer just enough in catastrophic damage to collect more in compensation than you pay in premiums. Which bet do you really want to win?

 

[CQB45ACP]

As I understand it from my insurance underwriter's documentation, compliance with their recommended inspection and mitigation gains me a whole bunch of coverage with minimal additional fees and arbitration instead of denial in a dispute. If the insurance investigator tries to claim my powder storage caused more damage than if there hadn't been any powder or if the storage had been better, they have to prove that through evidence, not just the investigator's opinion, and they have to pay THEN request arbitration. It's not just my primers and powders, though. We have special riders for our guns, rare books, stamp/coin collections, my wife's jewelry... everything of real value that can't be replaced via standard retail. We have to have the books and jewelry inspected annually and certified as to their condition and value. Insurance is gambling: the underwriter is betting you will have a long and prosperous life of paying the highest possible premiums; and, you are betting you will suffer just enough in catastrophic damage to collect more in compensation than you pay in premiums. Which bet do you really want to win?

That’s a great idea unless like me, one doesn’t want to reveal what kinda stuff they have.

The only rare books I have are my kids’ old text books—they rarely opened them.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

The only rare books I have are my kids’ old text books—they rarely opened them.

LOL!!! I love reading. Used to haunt the old book stores when there were still such things. Long before I got involved with computers, I figured out Orwell was right but more importantly, the people who wanted what Orwell warned against had read his books, too and wouldn't be so obvious as to ride around the countryside flying banners proclaiming their intentions. Winston Smith was right: digital words can be edited on the fly and no one is the wiser. But books in print can only be destroyed, for the moving pen, having writ, moves on... I bought a collection of Edmund Burke first editions WAAAAAY back when and actually read them - then found out from a buddy who worked as a preservationist at the university library that there were worth considerably more than the $10 I paid. We went through my old dusty books and found a dozen or so more that were rare or first editions and ought to be preserved. I've sold some but not many. Books aren't worth much of anything these days. They're too long, just a lot of words and stuff, and they're not politically correct. Someone might be offended.

 

[CQB45ACP]

LOL!!! I love reading. Used to haunt the old book stores when there were still such things. Long before I got involved with computers, I figured out Orwell was right but more importantly, the people who wanted what Orwell warned against had read his books, too and wouldn't be so obvious as to ride around the countryside flying banners proclaiming their intentions. Winston Smith was right: digital words can be edited on the fly and no one is the wiser. But books in print can only be destroyed, for the moving pen, having writ, moves on... I bought a collection of Edmund Burke first editions WAAAAAY back when and actually read them - then found out from a buddy who worked as a preservationist at the university library that there were worth considerably more than the $10 I paid. We went through my old dusty books and found a dozen or so more that were rare or first editions and ought to be preserved. I've sold some but not many. Books aren't worth much of anything these days. They're too long, just a lot of words and stuff, and they're not politically correct. Someone might be offended.

I mostly like nonfiction but also good spy thrillers like Le Carre.

Keep an old dictionary for certain...so you can watch definitions being distorted and manipulated. I have a huge two volume Funk&Wagnell that is fun to use.

 

[Mark_Mark]

As I understand it from my insurance underwriter's documentation, compliance with their recommended inspection and mitigation gains me a whole bunch of coverage with minimal additional fees and arbitration instead of denial in a dispute. If the insurance investigator tries to claim my powder storage caused more damage than if there hadn't been any powder or if the storage had been better, they have to prove that through evidence, not just the investigator's opinion, and they have to pay THEN request arbitration. It's not just my primers and powders, though. We have special riders for our guns, rare books, stamp/coin collections, my wife's jewelry... everything of real value that can't be replaced via standard retail. We have to have the books and jewelry inspected annually and certified as to their condition and value. Insurance is gambling: the underwriter is betting you will have a long and prosperous life of paying the highest possible premiums; and, you are betting you will suffer just enough in catastrophic damage to collect more in compensation than you pay in premiums. Which bet do you really want to win?

Insurance always wins, just make sure they are not counting the chips on the table, there will be counting when the case is done. You have to know when to hold them, and know when to run.

 

[Alex G]

Wow! This thread has blown up while I was moving! A special thanks to everyone for the advice, I am pleased to inform that everything has been moved successfully!

 

[Walkalong]

Outstanding, a wonderful finish.