Victim shoots kidnapper
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k-frame
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Well, a few quotes that caught my eye:
"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers."
- Thomas Jefferson
The one function that TV news performs very well is that when there is no news we give it to you with the same emphasis as if there were.
- David Brinkley
If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed.
- Author unknown, commonly attributed to Mark Twain or Thomas Jefferson
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"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers."
- Thomas Jefferson
The one function that TV news performs very well is that when there is no news we give it to you with the same emphasis as if there were.
- David Brinkley
If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed.
- Author unknown, commonly attributed to Mark Twain or Thomas Jefferson
For more: http://www.quotegarden.com/media.html
Neverwinter
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Of course not. People are entitled to their experiences. On the other hand, we shouldn't need to preface the phrase "all liberals are anti-gun" because we know that they're not making a statement of fact.
A great reminder to all us kidnappers to securely store our firearms when not on our person.
But seriously, glad she got him, and with a gut shot no less so it was far from quick and painless. He was a convicted sex offender and she knew him as well, but apparently not as well as she thought.
LibShooter
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Words mean what people believe they mean... right now.
Yes, the term "Assault Rifle" was coined to apply to the Sturmgewehr and it's descendants with selective fire and an intermediate cartridge. But now it has evolved to apply to guns that look kinda like those no matter the chambering.
Like it or not, words and phrases change. Xerox used to be only a brand name. Now it means making a copy on any brand of photocopier. The Xerox people didn't like it, but they couldn't make it stop. Google's not just a very big number anymore... it's what you do on any search engine.
1911Tuner
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In a perfect world, there might be a ticker-tape parade. In this one, the family will probably sue her for unlawful death...and the sad part is that they could win.
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svaz
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That's all completely true. However, the phrase, "assault weapon", to use politically correct terminology, is bigoted. Just like any derogatory word used to describe gender, race, creed, or sexual preference, it transmits both what the sender means to describe AND what the sender thinks of that person (or in this case, that object and the people associated with it). "Assault weapon" is meant to convey fear, loathing, an implied proclivity to unwarranted violence.
It's not just "a word" ...
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"Assault weapon" is not a term used by anyone in the firearms industry, gunsmiths, hunters or shooters. It is a loaded phrase denoting an ACTION, assault.
JustinJ
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Merriam-Websters definition of assault rifle is: "any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for militiary use"
Like many other words there is a technical definition and there is a common definition. Hence, ambiguity. And quite frankly where is it written in stone that the technical definition requires select fire. Assault rifle seems to imply a specific use that could be accomplished with either a select fire or semi version.
No, but i would wonder what their defintion of a liberal is. In my experience many who frequently use that label do so liberally.
Like many other words there is a technical definition and there is a common definition. Hence, ambiguity. And quite frankly where is it written in stone that the technical definition requires select fire. Assault rifle seems to imply a specific use that could be accomplished with either a select fire or semi version.
No, but i would wonder what their defintion of a liberal is. In my experience many who frequently use that label do so liberally.
Vern Humphrey
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So if I believe "liberal" means "has sex with pigs" . . .
If we change the meaning of technical terms -- and "assault rifle" is a technical term -- then we get gibberish. It's like saying "volt" is a measure of temperature, or "pound" is a measure of heat because we think that's what it means.
LibShooter
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If that's how you use it, that's what the word means to you. However, a new definition doesn't get traction until many... even most people use it. "Assault Weapon" is getting there.
The meaning of words do evolve like that. "Computer" used to mean a person with a pencil and paper. Now we use that word for a box that performs a similar function. That's not gibberish, it's an evolved meaning. No one thinks there's a little dude in there... do they?
Vern Humphrey
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Riiiight.
As the Red Queen said, "When I use a word, it means exactly what I want it to mean." In other words, gibberish.
As the Red Queen said, "When I use a word, it means exactly what I want it to mean." In other words, gibberish.
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For consistency's sake, please refrain from using gay to refer to homosexuality, retarded to refer to stupidity, and all of the other phrases whose meaning has evolved to refer to more than the original meaning.
Pretending that words do not change their meaning as their usage in society changes is to be ignorant of the way that language develops. The differences in UK English and US English wouldn't exist if such evolution didn't occur.
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rbernie
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Y'all are bound to get this thread locked, ya know, due to your silly need to argue over tangential stuff.
Y'alls call, but that just seems unfair to the OP and the relevant things that can be discussed here.
Y'alls call, but that just seems unfair to the OP and the relevant things that can be discussed here.
OldmanFCSA
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What IF's: ..........................................
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So when are they going to charge her for using "excessive force"?
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She did the right thing to shoot him, but you know someone will say she used excessive force.
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IF the roles were reversed, and she attacked him with a gun and he fought, got control of the gun and shot her, what would have been the resulting charges. What IF the woman was huge, and the wan was "petite". Excessive force ?????
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To those who would say this would never happen, refer to story similar that happened in IowaCity, IA recently, when boyfriend refused girlfriends offer of having sex.
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Just playing Devil's Advocate here.
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So when are they going to charge her for using "excessive force"?
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She did the right thing to shoot him, but you know someone will say she used excessive force.
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IF the roles were reversed, and she attacked him with a gun and he fought, got control of the gun and shot her, what would have been the resulting charges. What IF the woman was huge, and the wan was "petite". Excessive force ?????
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To those who would say this would never happen, refer to story similar that happened in IowaCity, IA recently, when boyfriend refused girlfriends offer of having sex.
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Just playing Devil's Advocate here.
Vern Humphrey
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If we did that, we'd be able to understand each other much better.
ArfinGreebly
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Words
That's more along the lines of "words are co-opted" or possibly, "words are hijacked."
More to the point, it isn't where assault weapon came from. That's a purely political term, having no technical merit whatsoever.
As it happens, "Google" was never a big number. Still isn't.
Its homophone friend, googol, on the other hand, is 1 googol = 1.0 × 10^100.
Just sayin'.
Oh, and as an equal-opportunity grinch, I hafta point out . . .
Humpty Dumpty is your guy.
And, while that may be true, taking a welding torch to a word and affixing it to a meaning to achieve a political aim is not the same as "words change."
That's more along the lines of "words are co-opted" or possibly, "words are hijacked."
Yes, and it happened with Kleenex and Coke and Brassiere, but that's not where "assault rifle" came from at all.
More to the point, it isn't where assault weapon came from. That's a purely political term, having no technical merit whatsoever.
Heh.
As it happens, "Google" was never a big number. Still isn't.
Its homophone friend, googol, on the other hand, is 1 googol = 1.0 × 10^100.
Just sayin'.
Oh, and as an equal-opportunity grinch, I hafta point out . . .
Right story, wrong character.
Humpty Dumpty is your guy.
JustinJ
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Assault rifle is not a technical term so lacks a technical definition. Besides, there really is no word the media could use in it's place that would not incur accusations of bias. "Military style rifle", "semi-automatic with 30 round capacity magazines"...which of these sound better? They could say "AR15" however many people do not know what that is and journalists are tasked with using words understood by as many as possible. Also, the term AR15 covers a wide variety of rifles today. Which is ironic because I don't hear people yelling about how AR15 is not the correct term either when applied to a Rock River, Bushmaster, Stag, BMC etc.
Vern Humphrey
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"Assault rifle" is a technical term -- just as technical as "mortar" or "howitzer."
Who cares how they sound? They would be accurate. The media uses the term "assault rifle" to spread fear.
SSN Vet
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story sounds fishy to me...
I sure hope there was physical evidence to back up the survivors version of the events.
I sure hope there was physical evidence to back up the survivors version of the events.
LibShooter
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In an army field manual it may be a technical term. In a newspaper article it means "a rifle with one of those handle thingies and a big box with a lot of bullets and it's probably black." And most of the time the rifle that the reporter is referring to is exactly that. It puts the image in the reader's head that is in the writer's head. That's what good words do.
All the political agenda or scary connotations that may or not be attached to the phrase are part of a bigger issue and separate from whether or not "Assault Rifle" is a real term.
As to the OP... it sounds fishy to me, too. Having said that, whatever brought this man and woman together that day, it seems like the woman might well have been protecting herself from a real threat right then.
lemaymiami
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The last statement goes back to what I mentioned before... a smart investigator has to look at every possibility when there's an incident that ends up badly. Is this an innocent victim defending herself? Maybe so, but you still have to look, in depth, beyond the claims and what, if anything, the physical evidence shows.... Nothing like an in depth investigation after a homicide to turn up all sorts of stuff that no one wanted to see the light of day. And that is what will occur whenever there's a "self defense" case (wouldn't have it any other way - even if I'm the one under examination... ).
The alternative is something like what recently occurred in Italy (the Knox case) where an investigation was done pretty much to confirm what they suspected.... and it looked pretty bad when reviewed later.
The alternative is something like what recently occurred in Italy (the Knox case) where an investigation was done pretty much to confirm what they suspected.... and it looked pretty bad when reviewed later.
Vern Humphrey
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Which shows how mis-using the term brands the person in question as ignorant and biased.
JustinJ
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Please reference a technical writing that indicates an assault rifle must be select fire. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines an assault rifle as a gun that is semi or select fire.
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