Vintage holsters that didn't require a belt

rs525

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I'm sort of curious to know about this. We all know pretty much every pistol holster requires the use of a belt, not counting stuff like shoulder holsters and belly bands. Of course we have options nowadays for beltless concealed carry (the Ultituck system looks like it would be my go to system) but were there any options back in the day for a holster that just clipped onto your waistband without having to wear a belt or were you out of luck? Some people including myself don't like wearing belts as they never stay up and just dig into my gut. I prefer pants with buckle side tab adjusters or suspenders.
As a bonus question does anybody know when belly band holsters first started to appear as I can't find any information on their history.
 
Barami grip. A set of grips in which the right half had a 'hook' that went over the pants and or belt. I had a set on my Colt Cobra.
Which brings me to 'clip grips' , similar to clips on knives, that attach to guns in various ways.
 
The earliest I remember was in the early 70 - perhaps late 60s. They were rather thin - on purpose - supported by a metal strap in a clip shape and springy. Holster fit inside the waist band and was probably one step better than just tucking it inside your trousers. I don't know how long this system had existed, but I do not remember any advertising as "NEW" or "NEVER BEFORE".
There were some inside the waist holsters that would attach by 'loops' to the trouser belt. I know that isn't your direct question, but they are linked in my mind.
I remember something of roughly that time period not requiring a belt, but requiring the application - sewing - of one side of a velcro holder on the inside of one's trousers, the other side being on the holster. It worked, but a bit unwieldy for most.

As I recall, belly bands were a progression from a separate belt under the trousers with holster. I remember something from about 1960 as the 'fly' holster. So named as it was carried as mentioned in the last sentence. Remember at the time men's trousers were considerably looser than currently. To draw the gun for use, one UNZIPPED the trouser fly and procured the arm. Other than the one picture, I never saw one. (Feel free to giggle. I did.)

Sorry I cannot be of more specific help.
 
Barami grip. A set of grips in which the right half had a 'hook' that went over the pants and or belt.

I used one of those on a nickel J-frame of fond memory... and cannot recommend. I squatted some while digging my car out of some snow and didn't notice when the gun was pushed out (I did notice later, you betcha). With deep snow trampled all around there was no chance of finding my good buddy until spring.

I got lucky though, and found beachcomber's mine detector for rent the next day. It did detect my little pal which had only a trace of the evil orange stuff in the bore.

Get a real holster.
 
Yeah, I wasn't too fond of them either. I nabbed them at a gun show for $5, tried them for a while and decided to use a real holster.
 
I used to use a smart carry for jogging.

Before that, a method I used while jogging was a lanyard. You used to be able to be able get a lanyard kit for a Keltec 32 or 380. Lanyard over the shoulder under a shirt, and gun tucked in the waistband. It was secure. Could have done jumping jacks with it.

It was a little awkward to draw- pulls the shirt up- but I never dropped it. And as you push out, you're pulling against the lanyard- it's stable like shooting a rifle with a sling.
 
I used to use a smart carry for jogging.

Before that, a method I used while jogging was a lanyard. You used to be able to be able get a lanyard kit for a Keltec 32 or 380. Lanyard over the shoulder under a shirt, and gun tucked in the waistband. It was secure. Could have done jumping jacks with it.

It was a little awkward to draw- pulls the shirt up- but I never dropped it. And as you push out, you're pulling against the lanyard- it's stable like shooting a rifle with a sling.
I thought that would have been perfect for a while. But after simulating it myself I immediately realized it was not going to work. Any of these "deep concealment" below the waistline holsters just simply don't work for me as even with looser pants it bulges and pokes massively. I'd have to wear MC Hammer pants to get any use out of them.
 
The original shoulder-stock/holsters were all meant to be carried by way of a shoulder strap.

Paddle holster can suffice.

Real issue becomes the weight of the thing. Which is what usually warrants using a belt.

The spring clips on most factory holsters are meant to go over a belt. So, they may not "hang" very well.

Might be worth finding a custom tack maker who makes holsters. This could wind up north of a c-note, and thus be steep, but, compared to buying 3-4 holsters that don't fit the bill . . .

Your mileage may vary.
 
Paddle holsters were/are used for beltless carry, but they suck at that. Actually, they generally suck... Get yourself a good gun belt if you want to waist carry and deal with it - I just don't have a better advice. The belt supports the weapon, keeps it in place, close to your body and distributes the weight to a larger area - you simply cannot do it comfortably without it. A belly band holster may work for you, until you reach summer temperatures, like north of 90 degrees, and then it becomes a real PITA for an all day carry. Not to mention that it doesn't offer you a vertical support when drawing your firearm, because it's not attached to anything that can stop it from sliding up.
 
First of all, try carrying a handgun at your waist WITHOUT a belt -- your pants will sag to your knees!

Secondly, in the 1930s New York City cops in undercover assignments carried snub nose revolvers under an Ace athletic bandage -- the first belly band.
 
In the early Eighties, there were plenty of relatively inexpensive IWB holsters, made of thin suede-like leather, with spring-steel clips, that would work with belt-less slacks, more or less well enough that they sold well. The problem was that the leather eventually molded itself to the weapon, so that the holster would start to remain on the weapon, when it was drawn. That prevented access to the trigger guard, until one used his/her support hand to peel the holster from the weapon.

Some few holsters makers have made improved versions of the mass-produced suede IWB holsters, using much stronger metal clips, enabling belt-less carry. I think that Kramer Handgun Leather might still offer such a rig.

Much better-made, among the vintage rigs of the past, was the Bucheimer “Semi Shoulder” holster, worn outside the trousers, with a stronger clip, and a paddle-like portion inside the trousers, which was made of sturdy leather, and carried the weapon somewhat high, so that if worn cross-draw, the ride height was similar to a vertical shoulder rig. I recently found one of these on the evil bay, and when it arrived, I was dismayed to see that the stitching was decaying into what amounted to powder, though the leather remained in decent shape. It was so inexpensive, that I did not ask for a return/refund. Perhaps, someday, I will use it as a model for a project. This serves as a cautionary tale, however, for anyone thinking about ordering vintage leather, with the intention of actually using it.

Really, I am liking the Phlster Enigma, for something that I can wear over the undergarment, but under the outer garment, independent of the waistband of either garment. The Enigma is what I see as the ultimate evolution of the belly band.

As for the historic origin of the belly band, the earliest widely-commercially-successful belly band rig may have been offered by Bianchi, back in the day, but, I have little doubt that smaller operations, or independent tailors, created such rigs, far in the past.
 
Really, I am liking the Phlster Enigma, for something that I can wear over the undergarment, but under the outer garment, independent of the waistband of either garment. The Enigma is what I see as the ultimate evolution of the belly band.

I thought about getting that for a while but that's really meant for appendix carry and I've learned that any sort of position from 9 to 3 o'clock on my body just does not work. Any gun whether big or small just digs into my thigh or stomach, and any sort of holster system is too bulky and even with looser pants I have relatively large thighs so it feels like carrying anything is going to rip through the pants whether sitting or standing.
So far the most comfortable position for me is about 4:30 just behind my right hip. The barrel doesn't dig into me and I feel I can still draw it even when sitting. Is it ideal? No, there's no such thing as a perfect setup but it's the best with what I can do. An IWB tuckable beltless suede holster with a holster claw to push the grip against my back would be my go to holster at the moment.
 
Given the obesity epidemic in the US today, I suspect that the number of folks who had a hard time wearing a belt was lower in historic times than it is today. FWIW.
 
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