Virginia Tech OUTRAGE

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Even though the primary responsibility lies with the shooter our Government made it easier for that shooter to take so many lives. The strict gun control laws prevented a law abiding student or teacher from protecting him/herself and those around them. If just someone was armed the attack could have been stopped, saving lives. Our Government by removing some of the protections the Second Amendment provides us left those children unable to protect themselves like sheep waiting for the saluter. Unfortunately, the anti-gun crowd will use this to enact even more gun control, never admitting their complicity. When will common sense take over and allow law abiding citizens the right to protect themselves and neighbors from horrors like this??

Some of the shame is right on the Liberal anti-gun crowd’s doorstep. Our children deserve much much better than to die like sheep in a place where they should be happy and full of life.

May they all rest in peace and may their families somehow find a way to comfort themselves. (which I doubt will happen for a very long time)

God rest their souls.
 
I made a sad sad mistake of checking the DemocraticUnderground for their take on this.....now I can't stop shaking. Looking at them, I can see why always taking the highroad will lead to success. They will be their own downfall.

Of course. That was James Madison's intent..

That every student in college carry concealed heat. If they didn't like a grade just kill the mother****ing teacher. If you hear gunshots, join in the fray. If the music is too loud in the next dorm, take care of it. If the food at the cafeteria sucks on wednesday take out the cooks. Its exactly what the founding fathers had in mind when they penned the second amendment.

Bulls**t.

If this kind of thing happened in my local supermarket, the last thing I want are some of my local dumbf**ks blazing away, making a bad situation that much worse.

I only want trained law enforcement armed in a crisis, not my neighbor or anyone else who doesn't know what the hell they're doing. And shooting at the local range doesn't mean s**t.

If you need a gun on your person at all times to feel safe, then bunker yourself down in your basement. The rest of us want to live normal lives.
 
I dunno... Obvious this is an outrage... I am sure that all of our prayers are with the victims and people who had to experience this living nightmare.

I do, however wonder if this is a terrorist thing. Again, I am just wondering. Obviously, these days that is your first thought.

I also wonder how many events were terrorist motivated, but we were not told, in order not to start a panic...

Watching the news, I am hearing that the local phone lines are jammed up. I think that has some SHTF scenerio applications. In the event of some SHTF event, the local lines are toast. Long distance lines will still be relatively open, but you need to have an alternate plan to talk to your loved ones.
 
A fox has no problems getting all he wants in a chicken coop. If encountering a member of the staff or faculty carrying a CCW was a real risk this may not have happened.
 
I don't appreciate that by default you associate the way the shooting is fed to you in the media with 'liberals'. I was born a hardcore conservative in Indiana, and when I moved to California switched to 'liberal' Democrat because my beliefs are more in line with that. In all my years of living in 'dis der darn hippy california' I've met about 15 liberals who don't believe people have the right to own guns. Almost every 'liberal' I know in california believes people should exercise their 2nd amendment rights.

Your just as bad as the news media, when you twist your thoughts around based on what you saw from a newsroom that has about six people in it. I'm sorry but even in 'crazy' California (especially) people know that what an actual CNN, FOX, ABC, etc newsroom consists of. It's just about 20 people running around who push their beliefs and make you believe that this is what the 'country thinks' or what 'liberals' or 'conservatives' think. Your falling into the media trap just by being exactly like them. Aligning an entire group of people with blame for gun issues.
 
"... making a bad situation that much worse."

That's one of my favorite gun-control moronic phrases. When anti's state that anyone else with guns could somehow "make the situation worse".

How could it possibly be any worse than kneeling, with your hands behind your back, waiting for a crazed lunatic to put a bullet in the back of your head?

At that point I think I'd probably settle for, or even welcome, some extra gunfire to distract him for as long as possible.
 
This is pretty much how I feel... taken from boortz.com

Like me, I'm sure many of you are busy tracking the news stories out of Blacksburg, Virginia. A person, presumably a student, armed with two semi-automatic pistols has hilled at least 32 people. The shooter is dead. Whether by his own hand, or at the hands of law enforcement, is not yet known.

As the initial shock wears off you can bet that the anti-Second Amendment people wall be coming out of the woodwork. By the time the evening network newscasts hit we will have no shortage of spokesmen for various anti-gun groups stepping forth to issue their tired call for an end to the private ownership of handguns.

This is undoubtedly the worst school shooting, high school, college or otherwise, in the history of our country. There are some facts, however, about some of these school shootings of which you probably are not aware. Do you know, for instance, that at least three shootings in high schools were stopped by civilians with guns? Civilians, not law enforcement. In one case a civilian was traveling past a school when he saw children running from the building. One told him that there was a student inside shooting people. The civilian pulled his gun, ran in side, and confronted the student. The student put down the gun and surrendered. In another case a high school vice-principal heard that there was a student in the hallways with a gun. He sprinted a half-mile to his car. He had a gun in his car so he had to park off campus. He then sprinted back with the gun to confront the student. Lives saved.

The point here is that you are never ever going to get the guns out of the hands of those who want to use them for carnage. Never. Gun control programs will only succeed in getting the guns out of the hands of people who want them and need them for self-defense. Never, in the history of America's gun control movement, has anyone set forth a viable program to get the guns out of the hands of those who would use them to commit crimes. Similarly, the gun control movement will never give any fair coverage at all to the people who use guns to save their own lives, or the lives of others.

We'll have much more to say about this tomorrow. For now, you should know that earlier this year the Virginia General Assembly failed to act on House Bill 1572. This bill would have allowed college students and employees to carry handguns on campus --- with appropriate permits, of course. It died in subcommittee. Larry Hincker, a spokesman for Virginia Tech, the site of today's carnage, said "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Well .. how's today for safety?

If it had been legal for students, employees or faculty members with permits to carry guns on the campus, is it at all possible that there might be some students alive today who didn't make it through the carnage? Do you think the actions of the Virginia General Assembly stopped the gunman from getting his guns and carrying them to the campus?
 
I think it would be well worth finding out if any of the wounded or dead, or even one of the nearby survivors at Virginia Tech had a VA CCW permit, or one issued by any other state that VA recognizes... and wasn't armed at the time in compliance with University regulations.
 
I do, however wonder if this is a terrorist thing. Again, I am just wondering. Obviously, these days that is your first thought.

Really, it is? Why?

How many people have been shot in this country by nuts and criminals compared to terrorists?

The terrorist bogeyman has caused people to lose all sense of perspective.
 
In the last 10 years more people were struck by lightning than terrorist attacks in US & Europe. Heh, I always wondered when the headlines were going to read 'Lightning strikes again!' Obviously they aren't the same, and terrorism needs to be dealt with, but it has been put out there and hyped up to the point that when anything happens everyone thinks terrorism.

It sounds like from the news report, they aren't releasing if it was suicide or if the gunmen was shot. Makes me think somebody shot him, which would be good from a pro-gun stance.
 
"...In all my years of living in 'dis der darn hippy california' I've met about 15 liberals who don't believe people have the right to own guns."

Too bad they're all in the Legislature.:(
 
Round up the usual suspects will likely be heard, in this instance, this seemingly will include 9mm pistols, as it appears that one of the genre was used.
 
In the last 10 years more people were struck by lightning than terrorist attacks in US & Europe.
That is debatable. How many people have been shot by people from Arabic countris or with Arabic surname, or that profess the Isamic religion, without known cause?
I don't know the number, but there has been several.
 
Man, some of you people just won't give it up? There has to be some "clear" bogeyman out to get you. The idea of random nuts among us--as opposed to an evil "other" we can readily identify--just is too frightening, huh?
 
That is completely sick.

:fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire:
I COULD NOT THINK OF ANY TIME IN MY LIFE I HAVE BEEN ANGRIER!!

As a respectable gun owner, I condemn this motherf**er to Hell. Just how would it been different if the shooter is struck by a Mack tractor trailer just before he reaches the campus and his parts flung all over the highway or crushed under the fender.:fire: :fire:

I hope the victims rest in peace and the rest of the country will not condemn us law abiding gun owners. I am positively backing President Bush every word in this. Yahoo news states that he said he believes in the right to bear arms but the laws must be followed. AMEN. Thats the correct attitude for any politician.
 
If any of you know Jack Thompson, the attorney who is trying to get video games banned because of violent content, then you should see that he's already blaming the incident on 'video games'

http://kotaku.com/gaming/virginia-tech/breaking-idiot-blames-va-shooting-on-games-252702.php

Also check out the picture of the police, hiding behind the cop car. I never understood that really, I mean they probably brought all kinds of shields and equipment, but they hide behind a car that a small caliber can put through both sides of the car. Maybe they have bullet proof shields built in the doors, but I highly doubt that as it adds 1000+ lbs.
 
This press conference makes it sound like the cops sat outside for a while when the shots were being fired.

take our guns, then sit around because its too dangerous to go in. :banghead:
 
This press conference makes it sound like the cops sat outside for a while when the shots were being fired.

take our guns, then sit around because its too dangerous to go in.

:banghead: I agree it's terrible that the students didn't have the means to defend themselves.:banghead:
 
I've met about 15 liberals who don't believe people have the right to own guns. Almost every 'liberal' I know in california believes people should exercise their 2nd amendment rights.

You must not get out much...


Gentlemen, take that outrage, and let's do something constructive with it. Start thinking real hard about how we're going to counter this. We need to go on the offensive in this debate. We need to contact every politician, and I mean everyone from Dog Catcher to President. We need to hound the media, at every level. Every editor, every station manager, all of them, need to know that we're sick and tired of "gun free zones". We need to be every single caller on talk radio. We need to hound our friends and family. If you know somebody who's on the fence about getting a CCW, PUSH THEM OVER THAT FENCE.
 
but but...its a gun free zone, you mean someone wanting to kill people would violate the law banning guns there? I'm shocked :eek:

Yeah, sarcasm off this is a freaking tragedy and while the responsibility for the actual act lays with the gunman, the creation of an environment which made it possible was our own government. Their stupid laws are the ones which created the criminal friendly environment in which no law abiding citizen could defend themselves against such a threat.

It's like banning not only camp fires during a drought but also banning fire extinguishers at the same time. The dangerous act (fire/murder) is already illegal but someone wants to ban the use of something an average Joe could use to defend himself or others (extinguisher/gun) in the area for an unfounded fear of someone using it improperly or hurting a situation. Sure the guy who started the fire is at fault, but creating the environment that allowed the criminals job to be that much easier also is a fault and one that people should start being held accountable for. One armed law abiding citizen in this case could have stopped the gunman. Would there still be a body count? Sure. But it wouldn't be a body count over 30.
 
Gross Negligence

Are the two words that come to mind after watching the press conference. They have a double homicide and a known shooter on the loose and don't warn anybody. Then 2 hours later 31 more people are murdered. All of this after a shooting in August.


911 is not an adequate remedy at law!
 
A fox has no problems getting all he wants in a chicken coop. If encountering a member of the staff or faculty carrying a CCW was a real risk this may not have happened.

Agreed. But everytime I hear a story like this, where one guy with a gun essentially rounded up a bunch of unarmed folks and shot them one-at-a-time, I wonder how things would be different if even a handful of the 'victims' said to themselves, "we have nothing to lose, let's rush him."

I made a sad sad mistake of checking the DemocraticUnderground for their take on this.....

Egad. These folks need to spend some time in the real world. It is not the safe, cozy, someone always there to take care of evil things world they think it is.
 
I can't blame the cops on a personal level for taking cover and trying to get a better understanding of the situation. They're people too, and this is coming from someone who absolutely detests the institution of police forces in general.

Their humanity is just one more reason each and every one of us needs to have and exercise our RIGHT to self defense, our RIGHT to secure our own lives and be sovereign over ourselves. I wouldn't expect any of you or any other stranger to come in after me if I were caught in a situation like that, I wouldn't expect any cop to either deep down on that personal level. I'm just pissed that so much tax money is stolen from people to encourage the false sense of security that cops bring. I'm pissed that these liberals seem to think that a badge and a city issued gun paid for by our tax dollars makes these people into superman, but that us ignorant peons, many of whom have far more training than many cops, are too stupid to be able to handle our own affairs.

Get ready, friends. This little fight of ours just got dragged onto a whole new playing field.
 
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