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Short of going custom or super-high-end, a Mark V Deluxe is my dream hunting rifle. Not the lightest rifle in the woods, but just pick one up and turn the action if you're skeptical. It reminds me a lot of a Bentley Continental - big, powerful, not quite bespoke like the highest-end offerings but still reeks of quality that can't be found in lower-priced items.
 
They are nice guns, mainly status symbols. Most are made in Japan these days but so is Lexus I suppose. I hunt hard and would never take a $2000 pc of furniture on a hunt. I have seen $300 walmart guns shoot just as tight but you dont take those hunting with your country club buddies.
No, actually the Mark V's are made here, in 'da good 'ole USA.
 
300WBY Magnum

Its the Vanguars Rifles that are made in Japan right Iam putting my Vanguard 2 on lawaway today $540 for the 300 Wby Mag :cool:
 
Common mis-perceptions that I found people had about Weatherby when I used to work a gun counter back in college. Could have contributed why you didn't see many in my area in particular?

1. Where are they made....Current MK-V's are made in the US; Vanguard (actually a Howa 1500) is made in Japan, Mk-XXII is an Anshutz action made in Germany.

2. I think this was the biggest reason for my area: "I don't want to buy a Weatherby because you have to shoot Weatherby ammo, and that stuff is expensive" (I got this one atleast 3 or four times a day). Well no sir, you are half right aboout that, it depends what the rifle is chambered in (and even in those days federal was loading some weatherby calibers). The I would have to explain that Weatherby does chamber in standard calibers (followed by puzzled look from customer) . Then I would have to into the difference between 207 Wby and 270 Win.

I guess it depends on what circle you belong to on weather or not you hear much about them. I haven't really noticed much main stream talk about them on hunting shows/magazines/radio, but I really haven't been looking either.
 
I own 3 Weatherby cartridges.

  1. 240 WBY Mag
  2. 257 WBY Mag
  3. 300 WBY Mag

I built the 240 on a Mauser 98 and had ER Shaw do the metal work minus the finish. The other 2 are Vanguards. I love the Weatherby cartridges but I also handload for them. You can get brass from a variety of different manufacturers depending on the cartridge. Heck I just picked up 300 WBY brass made by Remington for $15 per 20.

As for the rifles, I don't own a Mark V but one of my deer lease members has one. I examined it and was thoroughly impressed. There's no doubt in my mind that it's worth in excess of $1k. But that's my opinion. Not everyone will agree. As for me, I'm planning on replacing my 2 Vanguard stocks (synthetic) with some custom stocks from Richard's. I also have a Vanguard Sporter with a wood stock in 7mm Rem Mag. It's nice but I'd rather have something a little fancier. I noticed the new Vanguard's have some nicer wood on them as previously pictured in this thread.

I'm really impressed with Weatherby. Maybe one day I'll spring for a Mark V. They sure are cool.
 
On the 460; Peter Hathaway Capstick used the 460 Weatherby on several Lions in Africa. I'll never forget when I read about the time he fired both barrels of his 460 Wby Double rifle; He said it was Ten Thousand foot-pounds of energy when he fired both barrels. He was in a hut and the lion jumped right on top the hut and he fired from inside the hut, through ceiling. It was those fragile huts build by tribesmen.

Longrifle2506,

Just as point of clarification. The story in which you reference, PHC was NOT using a double .460 Weatherby. Because to my knowledge there has never been a double rifle built in .460 Weatherby. Standard break open double rifle actions simply can not take the pressure and case head thrust that a .460 Weatherby produces.

If my memory serves me right in that story PHC claimed to have used his .470 NE which would in fact produce 10,000 Ft lbs of energy if you pulled both triggers. A .460 Weatherby produces nearly 7,000 lbs of energy so a double pull on a mythical .460 double would produce somewhere in range of 14,000 Ft lbs.

Rimless, belted, high pressure cases and double rifle don't mix which is why you don't see many of them around. Not to be ragging on you sir as this is a common mistake that folks make regarding the .460. they hear .460 they think Africa and suddenly the .460 becomes a double rifle. When in fact it would be a very poor choice for a double.

Here is my take on Weatherby rifles. In multiple big game hunts in Africa over the last decade I've yet to see one single solitary Weatherby rifle in use by a client or a professional hunter. Weatherby rifles are one of the most hated and mistrusted rifles in the African hunting world. I've heard of only one PH who used a Weatherby rifle and he was a newbie American PH in Tanzania. To be fair I don't know if the Weatherby actually has a high failure rate under hard use or if it's got a bad rap due the folks who tend to use them? But the fact that it's a push feed definitley doesn't bode well for it in Africa.

My own experience with Weatherby rifles is less than stellar. I owned two older Japanese Mark V's one in .300 Weatherby the other in a .257 Weatherby. The .257 was a great rifle and very accurate. The .300 was a total nightmare POS. It broke in half at the pistol grip twice. The bolt stop fractured after about 100 rounds and caused the rifle to misfire at the most inopportune time when closing the bolt. I found out about it while sitting under a rock over hang Ibex hunting. The rifle went off when I chambered it and closed the bolt with the muzzle pointed up into the rocks. Besides having permanent hear loss I'm sure I was also sprayed with rock and jacket fragments.

After getting the rifle repaired I got rid of it and Vowed never to buy another Weatherby.

Fast forward about 15 years and I gave in and bought a light weight .300 Weatherby. This was one of the synthetic rifles made in good old USA. I have to say it was a pretty decent rifle EXCEPT for the fact that it was the most finicky rifle I've ever owned accuracy wise. It would shoot one load and one load only everything else fly wild. I was more than happy to sell it to a buddy of mine who really wanted it despite it's delicate dietary needs. He is very happy with it.

I have a buddy who has the same light weight but in a .257 Weatherby. The thing is an absolute TACK driver but it has feeding issue. I think I'll pass on the Weatherby for the foreseeable future. I'd rather start with a solid Mauser type action and spend my money on customizing the rifle to make it right as in my experience the Weatherby factory hasn't got get it right thing figured out yet and you've already spent all the money.

I do own one Weatherby chambered rifle. It's a Model 70 that has been re-barreled, restocked and is dead accurate, reliable and is chambered in .270 Weatherby which is one of the best Bee rounds ever built IMHO. I've had her about a year and so far she's served me well.

Here she is with her first kill last September.
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Short of going custom or super-high-end, a Mark V Deluxe is my dream hunting rifle. Not the lightest rifle in the woods, but just pick one up and turn the action if you're skeptical. It reminds me a lot of a Bentley Continental - big, powerful, not quite bespoke like the highest-end offerings but still reeks of quality that can't be found in lower-priced items.
Why then, are they so despised by African Phs and Alaskan guides?
I had a Lazermark V some years ago...loved it, but was just hunting deer at the time.
Smoothest, fastest turn-bolt I ever worked, though.
Why all the hate?
 
Someday, I am going to get a 338 Win Mag...and when I do I am going to spend the money to buy it right: the MkV is on that short list for me. Then of course I'll want a $1000 scope on it: better go back to school and become a doctor or lawyer ;)...
 
sig45elite said:
Why all the hate?

Sounds to me like he's had several bad experiences with Weatherby rifles. Out of all the Weatherby reviews, his is the only one I've seen that is extremely negative. Maybe he just had bad luck with them. Like I mentioned earlier, I have loved all mine. Terrific guns.
 
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Why all the hate?

I don't know if it's a high failure rate of the rifles or the guys who bring them to Africa. Everywhere I've hunted in Africa From Tanzania to South Africa they have a universally poor reputation.

I think a huge part of it was due to the .460 Weatherby. A lot of tyros bought them because they were the most powerful thing available thinking that would make up for poor shooting. The result was a lot of wounded animals and flinching shooters. That and the fact that PH's and guides the world over myself included, HATE muzzle breaks. And the .460 with it's muzzle break is one obnoxiously LOUD SOB!!

Then I've read of a high failure rate on the rifles themselves especially in the extraction department in high heat. Which I am not 100% doubting because factory Weatherby ammo is loaded at WAY high pressure. That can causes problems in high heat especially in a rifle that is a bit grimy from days in the dust.

Then there is Roy Weatherby with his not so mild opinions and claims about hydrostatic shock dropping big game animals with superficial hits and such. Which of course makes some Weatherby shooters want to go to Africa and shoot thick skinned DG with a .257. The PH is the guy who has to go into the long grass and sort those lightly wounded but highly pissed off buff and lions and such out. That kind of behavior does not make for good humor in a PH.

I think Roy and his wild claims^^^^ is a huge factor in the disdain towards Weatherby products in Africa.

Personally I don't think they are as bad as their reputation would indicate. In fact I think the new American built rifles are a pretty good product. Not my choice for DG hunting but pretty solid rifles none the less.
 
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I bought a mark v in 340 to use on brown bear hunts, as i was hunting brown bear a lot. On a shakedown moose hunt i shot a moose, pulled the bolt back for a second shot and the bolt came right out of the gun. The bolt stop had broke, sure glad it didn't happen on a bear hunt! That POS and it's POS design went down the road ASAP! That's the only gun in my hunting career that ever failed on me, out in the bush!

Later i heard about it happening to a guy who was on a sheep hunt. He opened the bolt on his mark v to go up a short rough section and lost the bolt when his bolt stop broke...

I knew a guy who guided a client in the artic. The clients mark v formed ice crystals in the little locking lugs and froze the action shut, until they warmed it up. My friend said he never saw that happen on any other bolt gun.

When i shot BR at a gun club, we had a "production gun, magnum class". A guy named Clint bragged and bragged about how accurate all of his mark v's were, but he never won even one match with his mark v's. The winners shot Remingtons over 99% of the time, but never a Wby... Clint had money, and finally bought a 700 Rem. to shoot on the production gun magnum class and won some matches from time to time with his 700.

Weatherby Mark V's are for folks who either have a lot of money and buy "flash", or just don't know what or how a REAL work bolt gun should be like, or both! But that's "OK" with me, it's what makes the world go around... So, keep on buying those mark v's!

DM
 
On a shakedown moose hunt i shot a moose, pulled the bolt back for a second shot and the bolt came right out of the gun. The bolt stop had broke, sure glad it didn't happen on a bear hunt! That POS and it's POS design went down the road ASAP!

Later i heard about it happening to a guy who was on a sheep hunt. He opened the bolt on his mark v to go up a short rough section and lost the bolt when his bolt stop broke...

THIS ^^^^^ is EXACTLY what happened on my Mark V .300 Weatherby. Only in my case the bolt stop broke and jammed at an angle causing the rifle to AD on bolt closing. The piece later fell out so that the bolt would come out of the back of the gun.

Mark V's will not take a vigorous bolt stroke or at least some of them won't. NOT something I want to have for a DG hunting no way no how! That is the kind of stuff that gets you killed in DG country.
 
Weatherby Vanguard

The Weatherby Mark V is WAY beyond what i can afford & i wouldn't pay $2,000 for no gun .Iam buying me a new Vanguard in 300 WBY Magnum & i got it New for $540.00 & i have to put it on layaway . I agree 2 grand is way too much to pay for any gun IMO
 
Thanks for the input also. I am just sort of in the back of the head thinking about a MK V in 257 Weatherby. Sounds like a good combination.
 
I got my Mark V for no cost!!

Back in the 70s some banks tood your money, put it in a CD and paid the interest up front--the rifle. Some years later you got your $$ back.

257 Weatherby will be my deer gun this fall.

Got to get some ammo loaded and get shooting 100 or 115 gr bullets.
 
300 Weatherby Magnum Vanguard

I made the first payment on my new Weatherby Series 2 today finally :D
 
trapper500 said:
I made the first payment on my new Weatherby Series 2 today finally

Trapper - check out MidwayUSA for 300 WBY brass. I just picked up 2 boxes of 20 unprimed unfired brass for $15/box. If you don't reload, Bass Pro has some factory Weatherby ammo for under $50/box. It's not on their website but I did see it at one of their retail stores.

Great cartridge. I love my 300 WBY.
 
I have a Japanese produced Mark V in 7mm Weatherby Magnum that is very accurate. It was the low-end version that they called the Weathermark, with matte bluing and a cheap synthetic stock.

I replaced the stock with an H.S. Precision synthetic stock, shaped liked the traditional humped back Monte Carlo design used in Weatherby's deluxe models.

Here are my experiences:

1. The rifle is very accurate, usually around one inch at 100 yards for three shots. I have shot many one inch, three shot groups with handloads using 154 to 175 grain bullets and various powders. With the H.S. Precision stock on it, it stays shot in year to year.

2. I have never had the sheared off bolt stop issue.

3. I don't care for the narrow trigger shoe. The wide trigger shoes on Remingtons and Winchesters suit me much better.

4. The hump back stock design causes me problems with getting a full sight picture quickly in the scope FROM FIELD POSITIONS. Off the bench, it is great, but prone, sitting, etc are another story.

5. The three holes in the side of the bolt body are a dumb design for the field. They open the interior of the bolt to moisture and dirt - something you do not need in the field.

6. The bolt design is not conducive to field stripping. Given my point in #5 above, you should be able to strip the bolt and clean it easily in the field. Believe me, you do not want to try. And, if you do get it open, you risk losing the little stainless steel ball that goes in the bottom back of the bolt body near the threaded head of the firing pin. Lose it and you are out of commission.

7. The firing pin spring is very stiff, making the bolt difficult to cock upwards once you fire a round. Not a big deal? Try it when you are prone. It is not easy.

8. The thing is really a heavy rifle. It feels good - real solid - when you are on the range or handling it at home, etc. But, lug that thing up and down a few Western mountains, and you have a different perspective on all that weight.

All in all, I decided to sell it. It is on consignment at a local shop. I hope it sells soon so I can buy a Winchester Model 70 in the old boring 30-06.

I hope this helps you and adds to the discussion.
 
300 Weatherby Magnum Vanguard

Oh i reload already ordered my brass & have some of them loaded up . I am using the Hornadt SST 180 SPBT & 85.5 Grains og Ramshot Magnum Powder & 215 Federal Large Rifle Magnum Primers this load worked excellent with my old Vanguard & iam thinking that it will do as good in my new Vanguard:D
 
My dangerous game rifle is a WBY Mark V Super Preadator Master in 223 which is extremly accurate on Ground hogs out to 250yrds which is very good because the danger is if I don't kill them the farmer won't let me shoot anymore.
 
I had a 257 WBY Mark V and a 7MM WBY Mar V. The 257 was a particularly fine shooting rifle.

But, I was a nervous wreck using it in the field cause it was so pretty.

Something about cramming it down in a scabbard and riding through thick cover trying not to bang the stock against anything just didn't suit me.

They look nice on a gun rack.
 
DM:

I totally agree with you.
I have never seen a truly accurate Weatherby.
Never in a long range match.

Weatherbys are like " models", they are eye candy for the on lookers, but have no true advantages beyond thier looks.

They are beautifully finished, but all the work isnt put into making them shoot tiny groups.
"ONLY" accurate rifles are fun, and stay fun for years to come.

I recently shot in a informal long range match to a mile.
A few guys with more money than most, had rifle setups in .338 Lapua, and 50BMG.

When the dust setteled, it took me only one round to vector onto the mile gong.
The next 5 rounds were on the 1MOA gong.

None of the other guys ever posted more than 1 round concequtively on the gong.
Thier fancy equipment couldnt shoot for them.

I was using a Savage110BA in 300 Win Mag.
210grain Berger VLD's, seated 0.030" off the rifling.
R22 (70.5gr)
A nice rifle, but not a Sako TRG.
A fraction of the cost.

I practiced my butt off for that shoot.
That is when I truly realized that fancy, expensive gear is not always the best.

I am not the best shooter by any means, but I know that doing your home work and practicing is most important.
 
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