What Mike Moore wants for USA

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Tells us Canada is so much better. What he does not tell you is
"It was pretty brutal and there was really nothing I could do about it. I have no phone or the cops would have been there a lot sooner."
After reading this story don't let the sheep claim Canada is better then USA...
http://canada.com/national/story.asp?id=2DC98801-77EE-4C38-BBAA-07D2508E2D67
S STORY
Beaten, stabbed, left to die
Body lay in middle of busy street for hours after vicious attack by six men

Ian Williams
The Edmonton Journal


Thursday, July 24, 2003

Jason Franson, The Journal / The body of a man lay on 95th Street for hours on Monday, blocking traffic and attracting onlookers, as police investigated the death. It was moved at 9:30 a.m.


Jason Franson, The Journal / Police investigate the scene after a man was brutally beaten near 95th Street and 108A Avenue.

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EDMONTON - Ignoring his pleas to stop, six men savagely kicked, beat and stabbed another man to death, leaving his body lying in the middle of a north-side street.

"They really didn't care about what happened. I mean to stab a guy how many times they stabbed him, that's not right," said eyewitness Brandon Moore who watched the barbaric killing unfold on the front steps of his rooming house near 108A Avenue and 95th Street.

Moore and his girlfriend, Jennifer Unetic, newly arrived in Edmonton, awakened just after 4 a.m. Wednesday to the sounds of yelling, screaming and swearing.

Unetic recalls: "I just woke up and I could hear some guy yelling and he was yelling, 'I have no money. I have no money.'

"I went to my front living room window where I saw this guy beating on this other guy and these other guys were all coming up."

That's when Moore pushed her out of the way. "I didn't want her to see that," he said.

Three men surrounded the victim, he said, while three other men stood on the street.

"Basically there was a lot of yelling and screaming. He had already been stabbed twice in the chest area somewhere and the guys were still demanding money. He was still standing, talking to them and they stabbed him again, I don't know how many times. He still didn't go down.

"And they started swearing at him, saying he was crazy. They pushed him up against the glass on the door and the glass shattered. They stabbed him again, kicked him a few times. And they ran north on 95th Street."

Moore said the victim staggered down the stairs and eventually fell face down in the middle of the street.

"Then maybe 30 seconds later another male came back and took a piece of glass, ran up to the man because he was collapsed and stabbed him in the back six or seven times. He did it twice.

"The first time he struck him, I was kind of wondering what he was doing, hitting him on the back. He ran north again and returned another 30 seconds later and did the same thing only this time I noticed the glass in his hand. He stabbed him another five or six times in the back, kicked at him, swore at him and then headed south."

Moore was stunned by the viciousness, especially with six men against one.

"It was pretty brutal and there was really nothing I could do about it. I have no phone or the cops would have been there a lot sooner."

As soon as the last man left, he went out to the street where a motorist had already stopped.

"He checked his pulse rate. He was still breathing at that time. By the time the cops got here, paramedics got here, they pronounced him dead."

Unetic said she had heard a story the victim might have been at a nearby party and had been running from the six men.

Sgt. Patrick Tracy said investigators are looking at the possibility the victim might have attended a nearby party.

"We know that there were several disturbances and house parties in the immediate area in the neighbourhood earlier in the evening that our members responded to and so we're looking at these."

Tracy said patrol members in the area didn't recognize the victim who was carrying identification.

Meanwhile as the police investigation lengthened into the morning, spectators stood outside the La Dolce Vita Cafe & Bar, sipping espressos and watching police go about the homicide investigation, the victim's body lying in the road covered by a red plastic tarp.

About 9:30 a.m. police and medical examiner officials wrapped the body in a sheet and took it away for an autopsy, leaving behind a pool of blood staining the street.

Some people wondered why the investigation had taken so long and why the covered body was left in the street.

"We certainly don't get any delight or pleasure in having a body lying around for the public to see," said Tracy. "We have to take things as protocol stipulates. We just have to take our time and make sure we don't rush because sometimes the smallest thing might be something that could speak to a huge part of the ingredients of solving a crime."

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Damn! Poor guy. It might have been different if he had a gun to protect himself. This is what we can expect if fat Mike Moore and his cronies are successful in taking our guns away!:fire: :cuss:
 
Evil of me to say or think so, but they got the wrong guy.
 
"I mean to stab a guy how many times they stabbed him, that's not right,"
So, just how many times is the right number?:cuss:

[super hero mentality]
Notice how the story says that no one ran out to his defense. I could have ran them off with a shotgun, hopefully without a shot fired. The image of a pump shotty in the hands of a pi$$ed off citizen who has seen enough is quite a sight, I would imagine.
[/super hero mentality]
 
[super hero mentality]
Notice how the story says that no one ran out to his defense. I could have ran them off with a shotgun, hopefully without a shot fired. The image of a pump shotty in the hands of a pi$$ed off citizen who has seen enough is quite a sight, I would imagine.
[/super hero mentality]

[realistic mindset]
I suspect that if this has happened in, say, Kennesaw, Georgia, this what would have happened.:neener:
[/realistic mindset]
 
It might have been different if he had a gun to protect himself.

It WOULD have been different had any of the other civilians been armed.

Heck even one crazy MoFo with a bat yelling and screaming running towards the sixpack would have been more effective.

I feel this way.. say I was the one with the bat (because I was legally disarmed) I would rather give my life doing the right thing by trying to help save the mans life than go on living standing on the sideline, knowing I could have done something.
 
It WOULD have been different had any of the other civilians been armed.
Armed, hell, anyone with a pair could have come up with something to help out, gun or no gun. Everyone has knives in their house. Break off a chair leg, grab a fireplace poker, anything. I'm sure someone could have done something had this not happened right in the middle of the pasture with the sheep. I mean, just ask Kitty, right?

:fire:

- Gabe
 
I agree GRD
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Heck even one crazy MoFo with a bat yelling and screaming running towards the sixpack would have been more effective.

to me this is about as sickoning as the 9/11 situation.

I'm sorry but if some yahoo is trying to hold a plane up with a box cutter. I'm taking him on. Yeah I'm probably going to be cut.. and may just die doing it. But once again I'd rather die knowing I at least tried, than live with the knowledge I did nothing. Of course in that situation your going to die anyway.
 
Wouldn't have happened on my street--IF I had seen it. This would be one of a very few situations where a warning shot, right in front of yourself on the grass lawn, would be seem like a good idea.
 
I no longer have a shotgun, but I have an AK.
I can put three rounds into a 25 yard target as fast as an FA gun would.
That situation WOULD have been different had I been there.
Someone may have died, but hopefully it wouldn't have been the victim.
I will not live in a country where citizens are forbidden to protect themselves. That right is of the utmost importance to me.
That is why I will not ever live in CA, NJ etc.
 
I would think that is a situation good for a legal shoot if I have ever saw one. I have plenty of rifles and I would have shot any person with a knife first from the safety of my house. Any others not fleeing the sceen would have been shot next. I have a feeling once you shot the first guy, the others would not have stuck around to figure out who is shooting and why.

No gun? How about yelling! "I am calling the cops." Another possibility is since you are in the cover of your own home yelling, "Stop I have a gun, I will shoot. Get the F*** out of here." I agree, anything is better than nothing. In this case I would have used any of the rifles that are readily available and shot one guy with a knife and if they didn't flee, I would have started shooting the next guy with a knife. And I live in California. I am not scared some liberal is going to charge me when I am acting within the means of the law.
 
Sadly, there's no guarantee that this wouldn't have happened here exactly as it did in Canada. Like Don, it wouldn't have happened had I been there to observe it, but how many times do we read about witnesses to violent crimes not even lifting a finger to dial the police, much less getting a weapon and intervening, because they didn't want to "get involved?" :cuss:

We need to teach more on the responsibilities of citizenship and less on the rights and privileges thereof. And it wouldn't hurt to pass "Good Samaritan" legislation to protect citizens who intervene in an attempt to help others. Too many are justifiably afraid that if they intervene with a weapon, they'll be sued by perpetrator for "traumatizing" them, thusly making them unable to earn a living, support their families, etc., etc., etc. :fire:
 
El Rojo, if you notice, he didn't know the guy was being stabbed the first few times. They used a piece of broken glass and the light was probably pretty bad.
 
yes but remember this is Edmonton, Alberta. I lived in Edmonton for a year and found it to be the most xenophobic community I've ever had the mispleasure of living in.

If you aren'ty a native born Edmontonian, the locals treat you like scum or worse. They wouldn't lift a finger to help you.

The people of Edmonton make the liberal Democrats in California look like saints.

(I'm sure there are some exceptions, but in my time, I never met them).

When I left Edmonton, I couldn't drive away fast enough.

I know the general area where this happened. However I think that the body being left in the road for horus may be a bit of an exaggeration. After all, the locals have this thing for neatness and clean streets.

But seriously, Canada ia a socialist state where not only do you have minimal police protection, but you cannot protect yourself. The government has even gone so far as to pass legislation at the federal level that says in short that the mere existence of a police force has thereby made everybody safe and well protected.

I don't know about LEO response times in Edmonton but I do recall the local EMT's being very efficient.
 
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