When a Waiting period saved me … WA HB1240 AWB

[lilguy]

Alot of folks don’t know what they’re talking about when it comes to these new AWBs.
There are a few to many FFLs playing fast and loose with whats true. Its happening in
Illinois with our new controls.

 

[WestKentucky]

50% restocking fee is enough to tell them to talk to the law enforcement agency who would handle such illegal transfers. Let them call the bluff, and then make the phone call. I understand their point, but they are breaking the law and advising their customers to similarly break the law, so the very least they can do is a full refund so that nobody gets a ticket to the crossbars and courtroom concert.

 

[Old Dog]

Mark, not gonna presume to tell you what you should do. But, I've been a customer of Wade's. And bought some guns at considerably higher prices than I would've paid at other places. I know Wade has been a visible supporter of the RKBA and the 2A in the Seattle area, especially in the Times, on channel 4, 5, 7 and 13. But charging a loyal customer 50% of the "restocking fee?" BS!

I'm as big an opponent of Dictator Jay and Stupid Bob as the next Washingtonian patriot and gun guy. But I'm not gonna let anyone who is supposedly on my side screw me out of my hard-earned dollars.

 

[Heir Kommt Die Sonne]

There are a few to many FFLs playing fast and loose with whats true. Its happening in
Illinois with our new controls.

And I get these new laws are not constitutional, practical and are in many (all) cases downright stupid.
But we have to follow rules and laws for a reason. If we knowingly break laws and slide a few guidelines under the table, you're not only hurting yourself but hurting everyone else too. Imagine if agents went in there and saw him selling threaded pistol to customers, in willing defiance of the law? They'd make a total example of him and use this excuse to shut down other FFLs in the area.
We are a nation of patriots but we are law abiding patriots. Voting and our voice is our weapon, not breaking laws and making customers into felons.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Alot of folks don’t know what they’re talking about when it comes to these new AWBs.
There are a few to many FFLs playing fast and loose with whats true. Its happening in
Illinois with our new controls.

Same boat here! We should have a AWB support group

 

[Mark_Mark]

50% restocking fee is enough to tell them to talk to the law enforcement agency who would handle such illegal transfers. Let them call the bluff, and then make the phone call. I understand their point, but they are breaking the law and advising their customers to similarly break the law, so the very least they can do is a full refund so that nobody gets a ticket to the crossbars and courtroom concert.

Mark, not gonna presume to tell you what you should do. But, I've been a customer of Wade's. And bought some guns at considerably higher prices than I would've paid at other places. I know Wade has been a visible supporter of the RKBA and the 2A in the Seattle area, especially in the Times, on channel 4, 5, 7 and 13. But charging a loyal customer 50% of the "restocking fee?" BS!

I'm as big an opponent of Dictator Jay and Stupid Bob as the next Washingtonian patriot and gun guy. But I'm not gonna let anyone who is supposedly on my side screw me out of my hard-earned dollars.

I’m torn becuse:

1: I’m a big supporter of the 2A community in Seattle & Washington. Done as much as I can, pony up $$$ for 2A groups like SAF. Help 3 people register to vote locally, taught 2 people to shot and help pick out a gun during Chaz/Chop riots of 2020.

and if I file a complaint, it would be ammunition for the countless anti-gun groups here, I would literally be giving Bob The Clown a back rub (puking right now). So I’m not going to file a formal complain and erase what is right to my morals.

2: I took legal advice from a bunch of 20-somethings tacti-cool gun store clerks….. IDOIT ME! when I consulted my Attorney; they pretty much said the same thing

3: Please know… this is not my local Honey Hole gun shop. I’m definitely not in the Wade’s Cool Cat Club. < expensive club too

 

[Mark_Mark]

And I get these new laws are not constitutional, practical and are in many (all) cases downright stupid.
But we have to follow rules and laws for a reason. If we knowingly break laws and slide a few guidelines under the table, you're not only hurting yourself but hurting everyone else too. Imagine if agents went in there and saw him selling threaded pistol to customers, in willing defiance of the law? They'd make a total example of him and use this excuse to shut down other FFLs in the area.
We are a nation of patriots but we are law abiding patriots. Voting and our voice is our weapon, not breaking laws and making customers into felons.

Could not agree with you more! 100%! Hard times for 2A out west!

 

[dweis]

The moral of this story is simple. Don’t accept a legal interpretation from someone trying to sell you anything. A hundred dollars for a 10 minute conversation with an attorney could save $250 on a failed transaction. If you act on the basis of legal advice it is a defense if charged. If you act on a layperson’s legal interpretation, you have no defense.

 

[Mark_Mark]

The moral of this story is simple. Don’t accept a legal interpretation from someone trying to sell you anything. A hundred dollars for a 10 minute conversation with an attorney could save $250 on a failed transaction.

AGREE!

 

[jdc1244]

Continue ….

Background; We have a AWB here, and one of the definitions is a threaded barrel on a Semi Auto.

A local shop I was browsing in Belleville WA actually sold .22 semi-auto with threaded barrel. I was like WOW! Talk to the gun counter guy and he said, we interpret the bill as NOT INCLUDED RIMFIRE .22. They convinced me. And I started the purchase a FN 502 Tactical with threaded barrel.

Excited but confused that all shops big and small don’t sell .22 semi-Auto with threaded barrel. I called 12 shop, NON agreed with Wades EastSide Guns. So I posted a thread here. Local members here also agreed that a .22 semi-auto with threaded barrel is considered a “Assault Weapon”’ under WA SB1240, punishable by a Class 3 Felony.

So I consulted with a lawyer who evaluate risk when it comes to legal language. My attorney advised me the not take transfer of the firearm. Language is too vague via. punishment.

Fast forward today. We have a 7-15 day waiting period for pistol purchase before we take transfer. I went to the shop to have a conversation with the staff of Wade’s Eastside Gun in Belleville WA. They were offended at my questioning of the bill as how they interpreted it. I ask about my recourse to stop the transfer. They said 50% restocking fee. At this point, as advised by my attorney and member of the local public in general.. DO NOT TRANSFER. And that’s what I did.

Moral of the thread. The pistol purchase weighted period here probably save my from committing a felony unknowingly. I did not take trasfer of the “Assault Weapon”

But it did cost me 50% of $740 for a FN 502. Money well spent because I’m paranoid

Yet another good reason to buy only revolvers.

 

[Insignificant bill]

50 percent is highway robbery lol. Plus I think your probably right about it being a felony sadly... Man why do politicians do this stuff?? Criminals already don't follow the current laws lol. Sorry I'll leave it at that.

Because they want to disarm law abiding gun owners so they can rule them. Seeing as hammers kill more people than all rifles combined it shows just how absurd their arguments are,not to mention the violation of your Constitutional rights.

 

[Elkins45]

Take a file with you to the shop and file off the threads before taking possession. You get to keep the gun that way and don't lose the 50%. I filed the threads and bayonet lug off of a surplus AR barrel so I could use it to build a new gun during the 94 AWB.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Take a file with you to the shop and file off the threads before taking possession. You get to keep the gun that way and don't lose the 50%. I filed the threads and bayonet lug off of a surplus AR barrel so I could use it to build a new gun during the 94 AWB.

Great Idea!

But, they registerer hand gun by serial & model here. I’m not leaving a paper trail that I violated the AWB.

This is why Universal Background checks are a bad thing! it leaves the enemy a paper trail so they can run you through the $$$ court system

registration then confiscation

 

[bubbaturbo]

Sounds like they're still going to sell that gun to someone else.

 

[DoubleMag]

Are they really truly attempting to sell something illegal? Has this been verified?

NO ONE keeps my $ i.e. deposit, for something they are attempting to sell that is in fact, illegal.

First things first, I would be 100% certain of the illegal status of the item. Then write them a letter of dissatisfaction, cert. return receipt, stating the facts as outlined. With a caveat, return my 50% fee within five business days or the letter will also be mailed to my attorney, local LEO and state AG for determination.

If they haven't seen the downside at that point I would file suit against that person, other damages such as , loss of use of my personal property , the 50% fee, time trouble lawyers fees. Additionally, that is an industry EXTREME high amount! I've heard of 5%, 10, 15%. Which promotes discouragement of buying but not taking possession. The reason these are the %amounts are, they work. But 50% for...what? Why not 60%? 70%?



Etc.

 

[CDW4ME]

Mark_Mark wanted a threaded 22
He gave them money because he thought it would be nifty
Found out it may be a felony if he do
The percent of his money that was returned was only fifty

 

[Mark_Mark]

Are they really truly attempting to sell something illegal? Has this been verified?

NO ONE keeps my $ i.e. deposit, for something they are attempting to sell that is in fact, illegal.

First things first, I would be 100% certain of the illegal status of the item. Then write them a letter of dissatisfaction, cert. return receipt, stating the facts as outlined. With a caveat, return my 50% fee within five business days or the letter will also be mailed to my attorney, local LEO and state AG for determination.

If they haven't seen the downside at that point I would file suit against that person, other damages such as , loss of use of my personal property , the 50% fee, time trouble lawyers fees. Additionally, that is an industry EXTREME high amount! I've heard of 5%, 10, 15%. Which promotes discouragement of buying but not taking possession. The reason these are the %amounts are, they work. But 50% for...what? Why not 60%? 70%?



Etc.

Well… buyer beware, I’m asking questions next time I go to a new shop! Like, “What’s your cancellation policy” and I should really care about customer service. The shop had a “know it all attitude to begin with” Go Fast, Cool-Guy ex.5-11 wearing place. Not really my kinda shop. They treaded me like a employee. That why someone I prefer big box stores.

I’m going to treat it as a bad business deal and move on. Probably going to get a Colt Python to feel better about myself

 

[Speedo66]

Sending a letter can be denied as to content, an email is forever.

I would certainly explain that keeping my money is a no go. If they would offer a credit in that amount on another gun, or even ammunition, you might consider that.

I’ve never heard of a 50% restocking fee, I think 20% would be on the high side of ethical. This was punishment on their part, pure and simple, and for that I would not let them get away with it and would pursue legal action.

Was there anything on your receipt awaiting transfer that mentioned a 50% restocking fee? Is there anything posted in the shop or on their website implying an onerous restocking fee?

 

[Mark_Mark]

Sounds like they're still going to sell that gun to someone else.

yeah they will… Reasoning is probably, “we spent 20 minutes clicking on keyboard cost you $375!…. BOOM… let’s chug a Monster Energy drink” lol

 

[Mark_Mark]

Sending a letter can be denied as to content, an email is forever.

I would certainly explain that keeping my money is a no go. If they would offer a credit in that amount on another gun, or even ammunition, you might consider that.

I’ve never heard of a 50% restocking fee, I think 20% would be on the high side of ethical. This was punishment on their part, pure and simple, and for that I would not let them get away with it and would pursue legal action.

Was there anything on your receipt awaiting transfer that mentioned a 50% restocking fee? Is there anything posted in the shop or on their website implying an onerous restocking fee?

I’m going to write a email. What do I got to lose? I’m going to wait 1-2 weeks for the waiting period to clear, then they will put the gun back on the shelf.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Mark_Mark wanted a threaded 22
He gave them money because he thought it would be nifty
Found out it may be a felony if he do
The percent of his money that was returned was only fifty

Fifty & Nifty ! NICE

 

[buck460XVR]

Background; We have a AWB here, and one of the definitions is a threaded barrel on a Semi Auto.

Excited but confused that all shops big and small don’t sell .22 semi-Auto with threaded barrel.

They convinced me.

You had serious doubts going in to this purchase, yet you took the opinion of a gun shop clerk looking to make a sale? Reminds me of a proverb my grandpa used to tell......."fools rush in where angels fear to tread."

Learning moment of Sucker Born Everyday <<< me

Glad you said it.

I’m not getting emotional over a lost of a few hundred dollars. anybody check there retirement account lately! lol

A few hundred dollars because somebody bent me over? Nope, I'd be mad as 'ell and would not let it go. They deceived you, willingly or not. Unless they could prove that the gun was legal to own in your area, there's no reason they should have charged you anything. This was a shady deal, odds are they are shady in more than one area. The reason for the high restock fee is probably because of their excessive prices. Folks like you come in and see a gun, get excited and pay the exorbitant price. They go home, get buyers remorse after spending way over MSRP, or find the same gun much cheaper somewhere else. The 50% restock fee is more than they would have made off the gun in the sale....even selling over MSRP. They have a racket going on. This has nuttin' to do with supporting the 2nd and all about greed and fraud.

You must be too young to have had a retirement account during the Bush Administration I take it. Most 401's took a 40% loss. Looking at what they are doing today is no indication of what will be there when you retire. Especially with what's going on in our country right now.

Ain't trying to be a jerk, but I got tired of getting pooped on by shady folks that use deception and bullying to take monies out of my pocket. I don't like seeing others being taken advantage of either. $370 plus background check fees is not small change to me. That's a car payment.

 

[Mark_Mark]

You had serious doubts going in to this purchase, yet you took the opinion of a gun shop clerk looking to make a sale? Reminds me of a proverb my grandpa used to tell......."fools rush in where angels fear to tread."



Glad you said it.



A few hundred dollars because somebody bent me over? Nope, I'd be mad as 'ell and would not let it go. They deceived you, willingly or not. Unless they could prove that the gun was legal to own in your area, there's no reason they should have charged you anything. This was a shady deal, odds are they are shady in more than one area. The reason for the high restock fee is probably because of their excessive prices. Folks like you come in and see a gun, get excited and pay the exorbitant price. They go home, get buyers remorse after spending way over MSRP, or find the same gun much cheaper somewhere else. The 50% restock fee is more than they would have made off the gun in the sale....even selling over MSRP. They have a racket going on. This has nuttin' to do with supporting the 2nd and all about greed and fraud.

You must be too young to have had a retirement account during the Bush Administration I take it. Most 401's took a 40% loss. Looking at what they are doing today is no indication of what will be there when you retire. Especially with what's going on in our country right now.

Ain't trying to be a jerk, but I got tired of getting pooped on by shady folks that use deception and bullying to take monies out of my pocket. I don't like seeing others being taken advantage of either. $370 plus background check fees is not small change to me. That's a car payment.

Truth Hurts man!

Buy and collecting is a pleasure to me, something I look forward to because of my lack of free outside time. With that said, I’m going to stick to my local honey hole shop for vintage guns, and Big Box for modern guns. Thanks for the reality check.

 

[jmorris]

Before I paid a 50% restocking fee on a prohibited item, I would probably find the most liberal, anti gun, LEO I could and have them go with me to witness the transfer….

If it’s OK, I walk out with it. If it’s not, I get all of my money back and they are done.

If you are in business, you need to treat your customers right, they are the ones that feed you…

 

[doubleh]

I thought about all kinda stuff as I was angry, report this and that, and it filled my heart vengeance about “I’ll show them who is right & wrong” but that not me. A few hundred dollars to know not to do business there is worth it. Wade’s was once a tactical Cool gun range shop with 20-something know it all. they have lost lots of business due to the AWB, So I think they are getting desperate and ridding the line of right & wrong. I just wish they would not dragg the unknowing public down with them.

I just want people in Washington to be aware! if it doesn’t feel right…. stop and think it over.

If it doesn't bother you getting screwed out of a few hundred dollars you are a better (or easier) person than I. I tend to get POed and find any legal means to get my money back. 10-15% = OK but not real happy, half, no way. They still have the gun with no additional expense so it's just a form of theft.