When you can't carry, do you carry pepper spray?
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Second guessing a jury when you probably ought to be paying attention to staying alive might not be the correct priority.
I would never draw my handgun unless I was justified in shooting the threat. I would never cut a man who didn't require me to defend myself with lethal force.
Knives are messy and scary and more ..."intimate" than handguns. Either tool one uses to apply lethal force is still going to put you in front of a jury - or not. It is either the right thing to do or you're wrong - same as a handgun.
At least with a knife there won't be any witnesses saying " He was 6 feet away. Why didn't he run? "
practical/efficiency - wise , a knife is the original equalizer. Have you ever tried to pick up a 5 pound cat that wasn't in the mood ? You get shredded.
Which martial discipline is it that lets you kung fu the blood born pathogens away?
OC is more messy than blood? I know how to fight with a knife as well but it would be my absolute last resort. Would rather spray and run away than stick and get sick.
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I don't see a problem with pepper spray and am quite convinced that it's a useful tool (even when a firearm is an option but not yet justified).
My wife is an ER RN and pepper spray is a big no-no in that department due to ensured litigation if used in an area where patients in critical condition may already be in respiratory distress.
Hospital security carries pepper spray but cannot use it inside the facility (I believe they're encouraged to use their ASP batons if applicable).
If I'm not carrying my K9, I've always got the tiny P32 on me. If in a no-gun zone such as a bank or other ccw-forbidden zone, I’ve got only my Benchmade Stryker. I'm no knife fighter, but I do know the basics and suppose I'm somewhat confident in using a folding knife defensively if pressed to do so. As for the pepper spray, I don't see anything wrong with that option as long as you're prepared to pass the $7 Wal-Mart specials and put the money down for Fox Labs.
My wife is an ER RN and pepper spray is a big no-no in that department due to ensured litigation if used in an area where patients in critical condition may already be in respiratory distress.
Hospital security carries pepper spray but cannot use it inside the facility (I believe they're encouraged to use their ASP batons if applicable).
If I'm not carrying my K9, I've always got the tiny P32 on me. If in a no-gun zone such as a bank or other ccw-forbidden zone, I’ve got only my Benchmade Stryker. I'm no knife fighter, but I do know the basics and suppose I'm somewhat confident in using a folding knife defensively if pressed to do so. As for the pepper spray, I don't see anything wrong with that option as long as you're prepared to pass the $7 Wal-Mart specials and put the money down for Fox Labs.
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I have a CCW in AZ so there are not very many places where I cant carry, But even while I carry I will still carry mase with me aswell as an asp. I dont like getting into fights so I will mase someone first and if it goes far enough for deadly for then so be it. I will not be the one to escelate the force that high.
Sir Aardvark
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Why wouldn't you carry pepper spray?.
22-rimfire
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I don't own any pepper spray. Probably not a bad idea really for secondary carry. I always figured if my 38spl was not enough, then the pepper spray would certainly not be much help.
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ShooterMcGavin
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I wasn't speaking only to people of this state. I don't know about all states' laws, so I listed some areas where it might be illegal to carry concealed. Thanks for the info.
I don't own any pepper spray, but I plan on getting some soon. I gave my last pepper spray to an ex-girlfriend who jogs. I can't imagine running at night (especially as a girl) without SOME type of defense!! ...AND she lives on the Tacoma hilltop (one of the worst parts of this state)!!!
I think carring pepper spray, along with a gun, is a good idea. It gives an alternative to lethal force. Options are good.
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Keltec p3at, Wind blows to much in Arizona to be playin with pepper spray, it really sucks to gas yourself
For "discreat" carry its always a .45 but the lil p3at is ALWAYS with me, only decent gun ya can actually conceal with nothin on but a pair of boxers
For "discreat" carry its always a .45 but the lil p3at is ALWAYS with me, only decent gun ya can actually conceal with nothin on but a pair of boxers
Sir Aardvark said:
I do not carry pepper spray because I am severely asthmatic. Any time pepper spray is used, the user is very likely to receive some level of cross contamination with the stuff. This is simply to be expected and planned for.
In my case, I am unwilling to risk a potentially severe reaction to the stuff, so I would not carry it. It would very possibly do me more harm -- or at least temporarily incapacitate me more -- than it would the attacker.
Anyone who carries pepper spray really-and-truly ought to take a class in using the stuff. You should know exactly what the stuff will do when you use it -- how to choose a spray, how to carry it, when to replace it. You ought to know what using the stuff looks like, what kind of reactions you can resonably expect from the bad guy, how to maximize the stuff's effectiveness, and what to do if the stuff does not work as expected.
More important (critical!): anyone who carries pepper spray should safely experience getting sprayed under controlled conditions so that you will know exactly what to expect and how to fight through it.
If you are not willing to risk getting sprayed in a safe training environment in order to find out how the stuff affects you and how to fight through any potential contamination, you absolutely should not carry the stuff.
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I always carry OC/CE and my glock 27 or S&W 38spl snubby wherever I go, anywhere I go. I have used OC many times and most of the experienced bad guys know what it is as soon as you casually take it out and start shaking it as they approach you. They change they're mind quickly and walk away, if they don't, I hose them and let the games begin. I carry my OC in my left front pocket and my weapon at 4:00. As the OC comes out in my left hand, my strong hand is on my gun. before you choose to use OC check your local laws and when you do keep the wind to your back!
I agree with PAX, get trained and sprayed so you know what to expect. After my training and OC qualification, I swore I'd never let anyone do that to me again. Usually when I get sprayed these days, its my partner overspraying a suspect and hitting me.
I agree with PAX, get trained and sprayed so you know what to expect. After my training and OC qualification, I swore I'd never let anyone do that to me again. Usually when I get sprayed these days, its my partner overspraying a suspect and hitting me.
I used to. Then I sprayed myself in the face with it and realised that while it burned real bad, it wouldn't stop a determined attacker. I don't trust it. The "police only" kind I'm sure works better because people describe it as "incapacitating", but its not legal around here.
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I really wish I could do the same. Work does not allow anyone to carry, but worse than that... the rule does not allow us to have a gun locked in our car on the property
The executives must have learned that rules like that will keep criminals from committing violent crimes during work hours, as well as during the commute to and from work.I would still carry, and lock my gun in the car when parked at work, but I am more worried about my gun when I park at the gym after work. I rarely get an up-front, well-lit parking space, and that would be an easy place for someone to break into my car. I need a small safe for the car!!!
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