Which ar-15 is the best

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If I had to pick one, budget no problem, I would go with Noveske. They have features like barrels cut from blanks intended for the M-249 SAW machine gun, double chrome-lined. Super heavy-duty, and not cheap. When I deployed, I found out that I could have gotten away with putting my own upper on an army weapon. If I had know that in advance, I would have considered taking one with me, even if it meant I would have to leave it in Iraq because it's forbidden to (re)import something like that.
 
+1 for Noveske if you want a barrel you will never wear out. I just bought an unfired Noveske upper and can't wait to get home from overseas so I can build the rest of the rifle around it and go shoot some paper and take a carbine class.
 
asahrts if you like cmmg you should go to the poway weapons and gear shop they have alot of them and they are where i purchase my weapons from. real good guys who want you to have exactly what your looking for instead of just pushing a sale on you and if they dont have what you want they will order it for you
Sounds awesome! I've heard good things about that place but I've never been. I'll have to go & check them out.
 
all right guys i've looked at noveske i'm going to go with them now it comes down to which rifles is best and where can i get one the noveske site is all out
 
Chris,

I think you should take more time in making your decision. Not that Noveske doesn't offer a fine product. You should really educate yourself and and make sure that the rifle you buy is right for you. Not because one of us told you it was.

The Noveske may very well turn out to be the best product for you, but you can't know that just from us posting here over the last hour or so. I encourage you to do a some research on the internet and read about them.
 
As stated above brands are one thing, if you want a general purpose do-all rifle to begin with, you can't go wrong with a Bravo Company 16-inch midlength upper on a CA-legal lower purchased locally. Noveske is the cat's pajamas but they are spendy. I moved from Bushmaster to BCM then to Noveske as I could afford to upgrade. Still kept the BCM as they are a fine mil-spec weapon.

An excellent starter weapon with a lot of potential for flexibility down the road would be this, and they have an option to add a bullet button for CA compliance: http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=MID-750-C

Simply add furniture (I suggest MagPul MOE stock and handguard for a beginner until you decide you want/need rails). What's important is that you look carefully at the specs of any AR-15 you buy. Compare the BCM with offerings by Bushmaster, DPMS, other common gun shop rifles and you will see the difference in quality, an asset that will serve you well a few thousand rounds down the road.

Do you have a budget in mind for this? That will limit your options as well.
 
I agree. Just because it might be THE BEST, doesn't mean it's really what you need. It's like someone who has never driven a car before asking what car he needs, and running out and buying a Ferrari. Of course it's fantastic. But it's more car than most people will ever need.
 
If you have to ask, the name on the side won't make a bit of difference. I hate to say it but the people who ask what is best, don't typically run a rifle hard enough to appreciate the difference. A person who has been through enough to know they need the best understands why given items/processes are better than others and can pick based on the available info out there. Buy what you like, it is your money, but I would point you to a bargain priced AR to start and let you upgrade what you dislike from there. There is nothing wrong with buying quality, but paying extra for a difference you won't notice doesn't follow my logic.
 
I think delton is the cheapest but I heard they are bad. Next Cheapest I seen are dpms. I was told to stay away from a dpms by a ar collector but he has many bushmaster rifles. I don't trust bushmaster because I seen a new acr of theirs fail after like 200 rounds. I would take my chances with a dpms though.
 
DPMS is a good company, I dont know about rating them at the bottom of the heap though. As for me I have Stag/Rock River mid-length M4 I carry in my patrol car that NEVER had a problem, either in the accuracy or dependability departments.
I like Colts myself and would reccommend them, but they are high end.
I also agree that you need to do your research before spending youre money. Or get an entry level rifle and start from the ground up, then up-grade as you can.
 
Armalite put the "AR" on the AR :), but if you don't mind the silver-ness, I'd say ss barrel is best for lasting investment, among other things.

Find an FFL and see what he can do for you.

Here's one I found...


Company
California Police Equipment Co #21364

Address
4151 EL Cajon Blvd Suite C
San Diego, CA 92105

FFL#9-33-02962
 
New buyers coming into the gun world have an urge to own one of the heavily marketed types to get a piece of the mental action it portrays. In reality, they really don't have any idea of what they want to shoot.

The REAL way to choose which gun to get is to take some effort to know exactly what you are going to do with it. Somebody who wants to go racing simpy has to choose: Drag, stock car, road, Indy, dirt track, motocross, off road, whatever. There's a best Brand in each category - but no Brand makes one for every single one. You can't really ask "What's the best Brand?" until you know what you are going to do with it.

Until then, don't. Get something and move on. No sense buying a Top Fuel Dragster, or a regional class winning autocross Miata, until you know which is it you like more.

Once it's decided, then pick FEATURES, not BRANDS. Simple fact is you can like a Brand all you want, what good is it if they don't make it 1) CA legal 2) hunting caliber legal 3) affordable for the new user?

It will be a month of Sundays trying to get a CA legal 6920 Colt in 6.8SPC for $799. And, it just might still not be what you need hunting.

Hunting needs a capable caliber, 5.56 isn't the best choice on deer, but it can work. A 16 to 20" barrel works, appropriate gas, with a flattop A3. Match an optic for the typical distances shot, mostly 50 -250 yards to meet the caliber limitations. A fixed stock does it, and get a cleaned up tactical trigger, not a lightweight target one. Humping a rifle up and down hills in brush is no place to discover that a 2 1/2 pound trigger is a bit too easy to fire after a breathtaking hill climb pumped with adrenaline. Especially for the new shooter.

Ignore the "tackycool home defense" BS marketing out there, most of it's really done with with good lighting, secure design, located in the right neighborhood, not displaying high end items through big picture windows set right on a public sidewalk, and choosing to hang with decent people. Period. Then a handgun still rates No. 1 for use inside constructed areas. Anything would do in the way of a firearm, training and a good flashlight are much more necessary.

If a fixed stock camo'd hunting rifle with 5 shot mag isn't what you had in mind, that's the point: Brand won't get you there, features do. A Grumpy Jenkins built drag car won't cut it road racing, regardless of how much the paint scheme appeals. And that's what you really pay for, a brand name engraved on the lower. Lots of AR's are built to a specific end use with the best parts selected toward the end use, those Brand names are really picking the right assortment of parts - and call that their model. They can be almost indistiguishable aside from their name color engraved on three sides, because high quality parts doing the same job look the same. And it takes a lot of skill to tell the difference.

Brands last, pick features first, then sort thru who's left.
 
carlsako said:
I think delton is the cheapest but I heard they are bad. Next Cheapest I seen are dpms. I was told to stay away from a dpms by a ar collector but he has many bushmaster rifles. I don't trust bushmaster because I seen a new acr of theirs fail after like 200 rounds. I would take my chances with a dpms though
That's a bunch of BS, at least for most people. At one point, Del-ton was THE recommended source for going with something budget minded. Then overnight, AR elitists condemned the brand and it became unpopular to own. The truth is, they build a quality budget rifle. They don't follow the exact same process or use the exact same materials as mil-spec. Most of the people claiming that Del-ton sucks, do so because it isn't mil-spec. The truth here, is that most shooters never have to deal with issues .mil has to worry about, and as such, being mil-spec typically means very very little. The only issues I could really hold over the Del-ton is that you may want to swap the extractor spring/oring and the gas key may need restaked. From there, they run pretty well. I had one I sent maybe 1k rounds through, and had no issues with and saw respectable accuracy. That is less than some shoot in a day, but for my uses, it worked perfect. If you don't plan to abuse the rifle to the absolute extreme, Del-ton typically works very well.
 
DPMS makes a great AR and the price isn't bad either. As for people for some reason not liking dpms i would not pay much mind to it. I own a dpms arctic panther and some goodies added on but I have never had an issue out of it. Another buddy of mine owns one as well never has had a problem. As long as you keep it maintained cleaned and oiled you should never have a problem. As for the previous comment on bushmasters ACR yes NEVER buy one I have seen the same thing happen jam right out of the box. If I was to buy an ACR it would be from Remington Military.
 
I'M GOING TO START WITH A COLT AND GO FROM THERE I FIRED A COUPLE HUNDRED ROUNDS THRU MY BROTHERS COLT AND I WAS REALLY COMFORTABLE WITH IT I JUST FELT RIGHT. THANX EVERY BODY ESPECIALLY FROM KEEPING ME FROM BUYING THE MOST EXPENSIVE RIFLE BEFORE I TRY OTHER RIFLES. I ALREADY OWN A SPRINGFIELD M1A1 AND A FEW AK-47'S BUT WITH AR'S THERE ARE SO MANY BRANDS AND OPTIONS ITS HARD FOR A FELLA TO KNOW WHERE TO START:scrutiny:
 
NOMADCHRIS: I would go with the .458 SOCOM hands down! you can load it with all kinds of slugs with application specific purposes from home defense, hunting (medium game to dangerous game), and even punching a hole in the block of an engine (or hull of a boat, that's what the Navy uses it for)! Also, I don't know if it's legal in California or not, but the .458 cartridge is compatible with the NATO 5.56 magazines enabling you to hold MASSIVE amounts of ammunition in high capacity clips and in drums. Hope that helps you.
 
Forgot to mention, rock river is the most bang for your buck. It comes stocked with all kinds of goodies and will only run you about $1200. Check out rockriverarms.com for specs and head over to gunbroker.com to buy it and have it shipped to your gun dealer. It is by far one of the most versatile guns out there and one of my all-time favorites. You won't be disappointed!
 
Forgot to mention, rock river is the most bang for your buck. It comes stocked with all kinds of goodies and will only run you about $1200.

I'm sorry but for $1200 you are being taken for a ride if you buy a Rock River. You can do a LOT better than that for 1200. For 1200 you can buy a Colt or a BCM, something that is actually mil-spec and of much higher quality. OP, please do research before dropping that kind of money on something subpar. Whether you need the level of quality is one thing but to spend 1200 dollars I sure hope you are going with something better than RRA. There is nothing that makes the RRA more "versatile" than the equally configured BCM, Colt, or LMT. AR's are all parts, the difference is the quality.

You can buy RRA or DPMS if you want but I think we can all agree you are getting reamed if you pay Colt prices for one of those. Try 800-900 for an RRA and you'll be getting a better deal.

And STAY with 5.56mm for your first AR! I highly recommend staying with the standard caliber for parts and ammo availability, then you can buy a .458SOCOM/6.8/9MM/22LR upper later.

One example of a good deal: http://www.policeguns.com/catalog/p...cts_id=6615&osCsid=qn0b8f89uqnhfrct06mu4p8qs6
Not trying to push Colt (or any other brand specifically) on you but just letting you know that the price difference between commercial grade and milspec AR-15s is all of $150 dollars so why not save a little more?
 
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How do BCM rifles shoot for group? One thing RRA is known for is accuracy, 3/4MOA guarantee for some models, 1MOA for the rest. I haven't seen mil-spec rifles come with that guarantee. Mil-spec isn't always better.
 
I don't know if it is the best but I chose a Noveske. It is very well made, reliable, and more accurate than most people can make use of firing from field positions.

Over the life time of a rifle paying an extra $600 is negligible. Having a rifle that doesn't preform as well is not.
 
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