Redneck with a 40
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Kokapelli, my taurus millenium pro has an 8 lb trigger pull from the first shot to the last, it is double action only, it has NO external hammer.
Who carries a gun with safety/ and without...Why?
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Yep, mine is a striker fired too, but once the slide has been racked, it is single action.
After I fire a round, I only have to ease the trigger back about 1/8th of an inch for it to reset.
Mine is new, maybe they changed the trigger in the later ones!!
After I fire a round, I only have to ease the trigger back about 1/8th of an inch for it to reset.
Mine is new, maybe they changed the trigger in the later ones!!
MadMercS55
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My usual carry pieces don't have an external safety, SIG P220/P226/P228, etc. I occasionally carry a SIG 1911, and do have the safety engaged on it. I have also carried a Beretta 92FS, and while it does have a safety, I never used it, same with my PX4's.
bpisler
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I think the newer Mil pro's with the dove tailed
sights have the S/A D/A triggers.
sights have the S/A D/A triggers.
PWRDbyTRD
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I was always under the impression that a safety was to keep a gun from going off when being dropped. Maybe I'm wrong. My opinion is that if you can't control your finger then you shouldn't be touching a gun. I like the idea that if I pull the trigger it'll go off, that's how I want it, no extra switches. If I ever have to use my gun the last thing I want to think about is if my safety is disengaged.
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I have one of each, a SIG Pro and Beretta PX4. I voted "w/o" because the SIG sees the most use, and the Beretta is never carried on safe. I think the SIG has the best idea when it comes to safety.....long but smooth DA pull requiring a conscious effort, good SA action, and a very ergonomic frame-mounted decocker. That and the superior quality is why SIGs are what I prefer.
MCgunner
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Well, okey dokey then, I'm glad I'm not your leg.
I don't like glocks for that very reason, too light on the trigger and no safety. One of the things about a 1911 is it has redundant safeties. If that hammer's back, I consider that a GOOD thing.For safety's sake, learn to shoot that first shot DA, that's why the gun has it. And, I have heard of decockers failing and the gun going bang. I always point the gun in a safe direction, but am especially cognizant of that when I'm decocking.
Well the 92s decocker cant really fail, when the hammer drops the striker isnt lined up with the firing pin. Theres nothing for the hammer to hit except the slide. And it still has the firing pin safety.
Regardless, I do keep it pointed it in a safe direction when decocking.
When the hammer is back you still have the half-cock and firing pin safety. First the sear holding the hammer would have to fail, then half-cock, then the firing pin safety. All three would have to fail for the gun to go off without the trigger being pulled. The two holsters I have for it have very hard sides, so the trigger cant get pulled in the holster.
I'm not saying its super safe, but its safe enough for me.
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My makarov has an external safety/decocker
but I don't use the safety. I carry one in the chamber hammer uncocked, safety off. It has a rebounding hammer and the firing pin is blocked unless the trigger is fully depressed. I like this because all I have to do is point and pull the trigger. It's so safe you could drop it hammer first on the concrete and it won't go off.
With my striker fired pistols I don't carry with a round in the chamber. I don't trust them. That sucks and that's why I almost always carry the makarov.
but I don't use the safety. I carry one in the chamber hammer uncocked, safety off. It has a rebounding hammer and the firing pin is blocked unless the trigger is fully depressed. I like this because all I have to do is point and pull the trigger. It's so safe you could drop it hammer first on the concrete and it won't go off.
With my striker fired pistols I don't carry with a round in the chamber. I don't trust them. That sucks and that's why I almost always carry the makarov.
1911 guy
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Condition one 1911.
I carry a "cocked and locked" 1911. External safety and grip safety. It was designed that way, is safe that way and is fast that way, comments about "a safety to think about" notwithstanding. If you're thinking about your drawstroke, you are likely already losing the fight. Think strategy, do technique.
Now I'm gonna step on toes. The trigger on a Glock is not comparable to a DA revolver. It's much shorter and lighter. There's nothing preventing a poorly designed holster (remember all those "wanna buy a cheap holster" threads?), careless handling (I'm the only one professional enough...) or Mr. Murpy (who lives in my dive bag and is trying to kill me) from making that four pound press and ruining your day.
Carry a DA revolver? Sure. I've even carried an M-9 with one up the pipe because it's got a reasonable DA trigger. CZ's with decockers? Ditto. Glocks were designed for the lowest common denominator and least trained. point and click. They made their fame with the Wundernine craze prior to the AWB. With any luck, some foreward thinking manufacturer will take all that is good about the design, rework it into something with a supported chamber with a less accident prone ignition system and let the original design die a slow and ingominious death.
I carry a "cocked and locked" 1911. External safety and grip safety. It was designed that way, is safe that way and is fast that way, comments about "a safety to think about" notwithstanding. If you're thinking about your drawstroke, you are likely already losing the fight. Think strategy, do technique.
Now I'm gonna step on toes. The trigger on a Glock is not comparable to a DA revolver. It's much shorter and lighter. There's nothing preventing a poorly designed holster (remember all those "wanna buy a cheap holster" threads?), careless handling (I'm the only one professional enough...) or Mr. Murpy (who lives in my dive bag and is trying to kill me) from making that four pound press and ruining your day.
Carry a DA revolver? Sure. I've even carried an M-9 with one up the pipe because it's got a reasonable DA trigger. CZ's with decockers? Ditto. Glocks were designed for the lowest common denominator and least trained. point and click. They made their fame with the Wundernine craze prior to the AWB. With any luck, some foreward thinking manufacturer will take all that is good about the design, rework it into something with a supported chamber with a less accident prone ignition system and let the original design die a slow and ingominious death.
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Cocked and Locked 1911 or a Star BM..........Essex
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No external safety for me. Sig P226 with one in the chamber and the hammer down.
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First, I don't like DAO pistols. If I did, I'd get a revolver...wait, I DO have a revolver. Of course, it's not DAO. I can cock the hammer for single action use if I want to.
Second, ALL my semi-auto pistols have an external safety. All but one of them work the same way. Almost exactly like the safety on a 1911. Up for safe, down to shoot. And one of those, my PT911 has a decocker on it.
With all of them, I carry them cocked and locked, even though, both Taurus pistols and the Witness are SA/DA capable.
The one that doesn't work the same way is my Bersa Thunder .380. But then it's primarily a BUG. Safety is, on all of them, ON all the time. Regardless of hammer position.
Reason: I've heard more than one story of a cop being saved from being shot with his own gun because the safety was on when the BG got it, and didn't know how to release it.
That, and at 50, I'm too old to learn new tricks.
Of course, it's not DAO. I can cock the hammer for single action use if I want to.Second, ALL my semi-auto pistols have an external safety. All but one of them work the same way. Almost exactly like the safety on a 1911. Up for safe, down to shoot. And one of those, my PT911 has a decocker on it.
With all of them, I carry them cocked and locked, even though, both Taurus pistols and the Witness are SA/DA capable.
The one that doesn't work the same way is my Bersa Thunder .380. But then it's primarily a BUG. Safety is, on all of them, ON all the time. Regardless of hammer position.
Reason: I've heard more than one story of a cop being saved from being shot with his own gun because the safety was on when the BG got it, and didn't know how to release it.
That, and at 50, I'm too old to learn new tricks.
I carry my HK USPcompact C&L mainly because of the gun grab angle. I tend to be in crowded situations and it gives me a margin of safety.
Interestingly I was thinking of switching to a P2000 which doesn't have a safety. I practiced about 200 rounds of draw-shoot-reholster between the 2 and found I shot the USPc better even though I had to thumb the safety every time.
At first I chalked it up to my familiarity w/ my own weapon but I realized that the P2000s trigger pull was much longer (it was a Variant 3 DA/SA) even on the SA shots. It took me less time to thumb the safety off than it did for me to pull the trigger.
Of course if you practice the same way every time whether you have a safety, DAO, DA/SA gun you should be OK even in a stress situation
Interestingly I was thinking of switching to a P2000 which doesn't have a safety. I practiced about 200 rounds of draw-shoot-reholster between the 2 and found I shot the USPc better even though I had to thumb the safety every time.
At first I chalked it up to my familiarity w/ my own weapon but I realized that the P2000s trigger pull was much longer (it was a Variant 3 DA/SA) even on the SA shots. It took me less time to thumb the safety off than it did for me to pull the trigger.
Of course if you practice the same way every time whether you have a safety, DAO, DA/SA gun you should be OK even in a stress situation
Like someone else has mentioned I don't really like the idea of mixing trigger styles. One, I'm just partial to a SA/DA and secondly I like knowing that no matter where I am, or which pistol I grab it is going to function the same (in regards to the trigger) as the others I have (also why all pistols in my house are stored the same way).
So to answer the question, I carry a SA/DA with no external safety but with a decocker. I carry with one in the chamber, hammer down.
All that being said, I do plan on picking up a 1911 to compliment the BHP that I'll be taking from my dad when I put him in a "home". Hell it was supposed to be mine when I turned 18...but he does let me borrow it and not ask for it back for ~6 mnths at a time.
So to answer the question, I carry a SA/DA with no external safety but with a decocker. I carry with one in the chamber, hammer down.
All that being said, I do plan on picking up a 1911 to compliment the BHP that I'll be taking from my dad when I put him in a "home".
Hell it was supposed to be mine when I turned 18...but he does let me borrow it and not ask for it back for ~6 mnths at a time.Marshall
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Three types I carry...........
Hi Powers cocked and locked.
XD-40 Well, call it what you wish.
Model 60 .357 Mag Double action
Hi Powers cocked and locked.
XD-40 Well, call it what you wish.
Model 60 .357 Mag Double action
WayneConrad
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When it comes to safety or no, and one trigger type vs. another:
Of course, you are going to train enough with your sidearm that you don't have to think about how to operate it. And having so trained, the particulars of how it works won't matter, because they are in "muscle memory" and require no conscious thought from you.
Ain't it the man, not the machine, that matters most?
Of course, you are going to train enough with your sidearm that you don't have to think about how to operate it. And having so trained, the particulars of how it works won't matter, because they are in "muscle memory" and require no conscious thought from you.
Ain't it the man, not the machine, that matters most?
Rumble
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DA/SA Sig P239. I don't carry guns with safeties, if only for the reason that the only handgun I own with a safety is my 1911, and I don't carry it because it's big. If I ever do decide to carry it, I will have to invest quite a bit of training time to make switching the safety off instinctive.
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