Who's the Honda/Subaru of the AR-lower world?
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Joe the Redneck
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See if you can follow my thinking on this.
During the ban, the price of "outlawed" guns shot though the roof. I remember seeing ak underfolders for crazy money at gun shows.
Never saw anybody buy one.
If a person is generally worried about another AWB they are going to buy the gun now, not after the election.
If they can't afford to pay the regular price now, what do you think the odds are they will be able to afford to pay you an inflated price after the ban.
And if there is no ban, what ever you buy in now "used" and worth less than you paid for it.
Seems like a lose/lose deal. I just don't want youto get stuck with a bunch of lowers.
That's my 2 cents.
Joe
During the ban, the price of "outlawed" guns shot though the roof. I remember seeing ak underfolders for crazy money at gun shows.
Never saw anybody buy one.
If a person is generally worried about another AWB they are going to buy the gun now, not after the election.
If they can't afford to pay the regular price now, what do you think the odds are they will be able to afford to pay you an inflated price after the ban.
And if there is no ban, what ever you buy in now "used" and worth less than you paid for it.
Seems like a lose/lose deal. I just don't want youto get stuck with a bunch of lowers.
That's my 2 cents.
Joe
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Joe:
Believe me, I don't even have the money to get stuck with a bunch of lowers
But since I'm in my early 30s, and intend to beat that Japanese guy who topped 120 years old, I'd like to have a few ARs around for me to shoot. I can scrounge the money to buy a few lowers (that's what odd jobs are for), and that's all I plan on -- not speculating on them as investments, exactly, except that I'd like to pass them on to deserving heirs sometime in the far future.
So far, I've not regretted any gun purchases -- something I can't say about certain other things on which I've spent money. Keeping it reasonable (two? three?) in terms of possible AR lowers, I can't see being upset about those, either. After all, what if my one-day-yet-unchosen wife wants to outshoot me at the range?
So, I'm not worried about regretting the purchase of a couple of respectable, inexpensive lowers, which is all I want. I see where you're coming from, but the only pre/post-ban price difference I care much about is the one that applies to me.
Cheers,
timothy
Believe me, I don't even have the money to get stuck with a bunch of lowers
But since I'm in my early 30s, and intend to beat that Japanese guy who topped 120 years old, I'd like to have a few ARs around for me to shoot. I can scrounge the money to buy a few lowers (that's what odd jobs are for
), and that's all I plan on -- not speculating on them as investments, exactly, except that I'd like to pass them on to deserving heirs sometime in the far future. So far, I've not regretted any gun purchases -- something I can't say about certain other things on which I've spent money. Keeping it reasonable (two? three?) in terms of possible AR lowers, I can't see being upset about those, either. After all, what if my one-day-yet-unchosen wife wants to outshoot me at the range?
So, I'm not worried about regretting the purchase of a couple of respectable, inexpensive lowers, which is all I want. I see where you're coming from, but the only pre/post-ban price difference I care much about is the one that applies to me.
Cheers,
timothy
rangerruck
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Evolution arms lower, 80 bucks all day long.
TheLaxPlayer
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I should clarify. My car was made in the United States of America, A GM plant in Lordstown Ohio more specifically, in April 2007.
It's also supercharged. If that's not American, I don't know what is
Since we're being picky, my AR lower was made in Milan, IL and the upper I'll be picking up in a week or so will be made in Oregon.
For what it's worth, I've lived my entire life in southeast Michigan. I could drive from my house to the GM world headquarters, then to the Chrysler world headquarters, then to the Ford world headquarters, then back home and still have gas left in my tank. While some foreign cars are made in the United States now, practically everybody I know has at least one family member in the domestic auto industry. One of my grandfathers worked for GM, the other for Ford. I have an aunt who works for Ford, and a cousin who works for Chrysler. My brother and I both work at tier 1 automotive suppliers dealing mostly with domestic companies. Mostly Chrysler, GM, and Ford for him, mostly the United States government for me. Our economy relies on the domestic companies, there's a WHOLE LOT going on besides just where the car is assembled. I've worked for four different companies now, all of which have supplied mostly to American companies. While some domestics are manufactured here, don't fool youself, buying domestic puts MUCH more money back into our economy.
C-grunt
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DPMS is a lot like my Subaru. It doesnt cost as much as their performance competitors but works just as well.
With around 330 BHP/380 TQ it definitely competes with them and get 25 MPG.
With around 330 BHP/380 TQ it definitely competes with them and get 25 MPG.
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Edit--------That's Anvil Arms!!!
MY BAD!!!!
UJ
MY BAD!!!!
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ConfuseUs
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Superior Arms makes nice lowers. The finish isn't as nice as Bushmaster, but they are inexpensive. They also have a trigger adjustment screw that allows you to lighten the trigger pull on a standard trigger group. I have one that I'm going to build up into a varmint rig.
Now what I wonder about are those plastic lower receivers with the stock/buffer tube built in. I have no idea who makes them. I've seen them for about $70 bucks at the gun show and I wonder if they're like the Yugo of lowers?
Now what I wonder about are those plastic lower receivers with the stock/buffer tube built in. I have no idea who makes them. I've seen them for about $70 bucks at the gun show and I wonder if they're like the Yugo of lowers?
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If you are referring to the cavalry arms lowers, those are supposed to be pretty good. Not sure if there are cheap knock-offs of that design though.
Personally, if I were to stock up on more lowers, I would stick with the same manufacturer on the assumption that any upper that works on one lower will then work on the rest. It would suck if there was enough tolerance difference that some uppers wouldn't work well with certain lowers.
I can't see how it would ever be possible to ban AR-15 uppers other than to strike the flash suppressor and bayonet lug. There are single shot lowers out there, as well as fixed mag lowers that could slip by almost any ban. Not to mention the upper is just a machined part with no status until mated with a lower.
I think AMMO is what they are going to go after. 95% of shooters are low volume hunters, rimfire shooters, or shotgunners. They would be mostly oblivious to a centerfire ammo "microstamp" or tax increase bill that would royally screw the rest of us. I can also see a "military caliber" ban like Mexico, though there are plenty of hunting caliber black rifles out there with many more on the horizon (in camo colors no less).
Personally, if I were to stock up on more lowers, I would stick with the same manufacturer on the assumption that any upper that works on one lower will then work on the rest. It would suck if there was enough tolerance difference that some uppers wouldn't work well with certain lowers.
I can't see how it would ever be possible to ban AR-15 uppers other than to strike the flash suppressor and bayonet lug. There are single shot lowers out there, as well as fixed mag lowers that could slip by almost any ban. Not to mention the upper is just a machined part with no status until mated with a lower.
I think AMMO is what they are going to go after. 95% of shooters are low volume hunters, rimfire shooters, or shotgunners. They would be mostly oblivious to a centerfire ammo "microstamp" or tax increase bill that would royally screw the rest of us. I can also see a "military caliber" ban like Mexico, though there are plenty of hunting caliber black rifles out there with many more on the horizon (in camo colors no less).
As far as I can tell there are a few tiers in the AR lower market:
Lowest and to be avoided: Hesse/Vulcan Arms
$85 - $100 stripped and higher than normal variations in machining: Olympic Arms
$100 -$120 stripped, less common but decent quality: MEGA
$110 - $120 stripped, good quality ("Honda"): DPMS, Stag, Bushmaster, Double Star, CMMG, RockRiver (complete lowers will be $250 - $300)
$130 - $140 stripped: top quality: LMT, Noveske (complete lowers will be $330 - $500)
The stripped lower is pretty much the same from the $120 - $140 levels. There starts to be some differentiation in the lower parts such as the triggers, etc. The real differentiation in quality is in the uppers with barrels, bolt carrier groups, sights, charging handle, and handguards.
Lowest and to be avoided: Hesse/Vulcan Arms
$85 - $100 stripped and higher than normal variations in machining: Olympic Arms
$100 -$120 stripped, less common but decent quality: MEGA
$110 - $120 stripped, good quality ("Honda"): DPMS, Stag, Bushmaster, Double Star, CMMG, RockRiver (complete lowers will be $250 - $300)
$130 - $140 stripped: top quality: LMT, Noveske (complete lowers will be $330 - $500)
The stripped lower is pretty much the same from the $120 - $140 levels. There starts to be some differentiation in the lower parts such as the triggers, etc. The real differentiation in quality is in the uppers with barrels, bolt carrier groups, sights, charging handle, and handguards.
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