Why a CCW permit?

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Why do I have to have license to protect myself? To save my own life if needed? A CCW permit seems like bs to me! I have carry'd off and on for the past 10 ish years. I carry when I feel the NEED to, and where I feel the need to. As a Tennessee resident, most of the places I go to are low crime & really laid back. So it has never been a concern for me in the past. But when I visit the 4 citys, I wnt to be armed. GOD gives me the right to protect myself. NOT THE GOVERNMENT! :banghead:
 
While I might agree, the government has the authority, according to the Supreme Court, to regulate the carrying and use of guns.

To some degree I don't disagree. I do not believe that minors should carry, or that those who have a history of mental illness or violence should be able to carry. I do not believe that the right to keep and bear arms are without limits, just as free speech is not without limits.

When it gets down to it, the Constitution gives the Supreme Court the authority to intrepret the Constitution. So right or wrong the Constitution means what the Court says it means whether anyone else agrees or not.

That is why in the upcoming elections, the type of Fed Judges and SC Justices that the next president will nominate is the single most important thing he will do for the direction of the nation.

Just my thoughts.
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Jerry
 
NOT THE GOVERNMENT!
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The government will, however, deprive you of all liberties for a prolonged period if you don't cooperate.

Sometimes reality sucks.
We're waiting for the outcome of a current Supreme Court case that may, in the long run, help eliminate such idiocies.
Over time, states are allowing more with fewer restrictions.
In the meantime, if you get caught carrying without a permit, you're legally a criminal and will be duly treated as one.
...unless of course you're ready to be a test case, which many of use would like you to.
 
I believe the law in most states mimic the 2nd to protect your right to keep and bear most firearms - but not to conceal-carry them without a license. Personally, I think most of us can live with that.

(Depending on where you live) I also believe that if you are not licensed and carrying concealed, you are in contempt of the law and deserve punishment if you're caught and the stigma of being a criminal. Change the law through voting and activism if you don't like it, but follow it until you do.

Again, I don't know where you live, but if your state has cc licensing, and you meet the requirements, I urge you to apply. Many states allow open carry if you don't want to get a license.
 
It was put to me this way. Protecting yourself is a right, but concealed carry is a privilege.

If you get caught carrying concealed without a 'license', the gov has the power to put you in jail for that. If it's a felony, say goodbye to firearm ownership and handling.

Get a license, stop complaining.

BTW plenty of bad things happen outside cities. I live in a town of 24k and we've had really bad gang activities, a couple armed holdups in a WalMart parking lot, two recent bad home invasions and a cocaine trafficking crackdown.

But it's your perogative, carry whenever you feel something is gonna happen.
 
ServiceSoon wrote:
You are required to obtain a CCW because society has accepted that requirement.
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Were we required to tolerate slavery because society tolerated it? Were we required to turn in Jews in Germany because society required it? Were we required to support the government putting people of Japanese descent in concentration camps in WWII because society accepted it?

No. You have every moral right on the face of God's earth to protect your God-given right with the abilities and tools God has made possible, anywhere ON the face of God's green earth. Anyone who wants to infringe this right does so not because it is morally justified, (it is, in fact, a most abominable crime against basic human freedom and rights) but because he has the power to do so. Period.

-Sans Authoritas
 
Unfortunately you can't always have your way. You have to give somewhere. You can open carry and not have your name on a list, or you can apply for a permit and legally carry conceal. For me, getting caught carrying conceal means giving up your right to bear arms. I wouldn't risk it, I love my guns too much.
 
Sans, c'mon now. If everyone lived by that line of thinking we'd have anarchy. Judging by your screenname, perhaps that is what you want.

Rules are there for a reason. Some are good, some aren't. We *must* have rules to live by. We just have to make sure .gov doesn't get too big for it's britches.
 
Why do I have to have license to protect myself? To save my own life if needed? A CCW permit seems like bs to me! I have carry'd off and on for the past 10 ish years. I carry when I feel the NEED to, and where I feel the need to. As a Tennessee resident, most of the places I go to are low crime & really laid back. So it has never been a concern for me in the past. But when I visit the 4 citys, I wnt to be armed. GOD gives me the right to protect myself. NOT THE GOVERNMENT!
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I am glad that you have that relationship with your God. Does your God also post bail and defend you in court? Can he change the laws that are apt to put you in jail? Just curious, because if your God is able to bestow such things as rights, then I would think he could have some amazing sway with the legal system.

On a more practical level, I don't know of a single state or government agency that grants licenses for protection. There is no "license to protect myself." It is a license to carry a gun. The two concepts are related, but not the same thing. By both the law and by your God, you do have the right to defend yourself. That is not in question and to suggest otherwise would be to show a clear lack of understanding surrounding the concepts being addressed.

You can take it a step further and carry a gun and use if for self defense without a CCW and be 100% in the right for your God and self defense laws if you apply lethal force at a time when lethal force is warranted. So you will have legally defended yourself and you and your God can be happy about following the rights and laws in that manner. Of course, you will then likely be arrested on a weapons charge, but that charge will be separate from the act of self defense.

No doubt your God will visit you in jail and offer you comfort.

No disrespect meant to your God, but my God also says some things about following the laws of the land, in your case, Tennessee. When making appeals to disembodied authority for justification of behavior, you should not be surprised or offended when that disembodied authority's abilities are questioned. Not everyone holds the same beliefs about the supernatural. If your God can ascribe rights and whatnot, I would not be surprised if he couldn't also defend you in court or change laws. That is, after all, some awesome power.
 
:rolleyes: Good grief... No one needs a license to protect themselves. It's a foolish statement. There are plenty of "open carry" states. Here's a map to help you out: http://opencarry.org/ Some states require a permit for open and/or concealed carry. If you live in a state that allows open carry, then you won't NEED a permit. If you live in a state that requires them, then either campaign and vote to change your elected lawmakers and leaders, thereby changing the laws and regulations, or MOVE to a state that is more gun friendly. Whining about it won't change anything... Instead of doing this: :banghead: try being more active in your state and local government. GROG
 
"Does your God also post bail and defend you in court?"

Thank you. I needed a chuckle and I've only been at the office 90 minutes. Ten hours to go and I'm off til Monday.

Asking why about a carry license is about like asking why you need auto insurance. You don't. Of course there could be expensive time consuming consequences.

John
 
Move to VT or Alaska COYOTE, no worries then. Or, contact your State legislators and tell them you want Alaska, Vermont type carry in your State.

Or go to jail if you ever have to use your firearm more than likely.
 
I agree with the position outlined by Sans and others. That said, the reason I intend to get a CCW permit is to "add one to the scale."

Here's what I mean: Anyone thinking about trying to disarm the citizenry, if the one has any sense, has to do the math first to see what the enforcement effort will look like. The more CCW holders there are, the more daunting the task will be.
 
If God gives us the right and GWB believes in God, then why was GWB in favor of the AWB?

Thus, GWB disrespected the divine and will be punished.

IMHO, our rights are determined by the social consensus of the moment. We have to make rational arguments for the RKBA. Every right we think of now probably has someone quoting GOD in opposition.

Slavery was widely supported by preachers at the time. Preachers denied the right to use birth control - God told them so. I say that we have the right to control our bodies. Sorry, figured that out myself.
 
I don't know about Tennessee, but here in Pennsylvania the permit grants permission to conceal a firearm. Bearing a firearm in the open is legal without a permit (but don't try that in Philadelphia).

Is it right for the government to impose restrictions on how i can carry a firearm? Probably not. Would I conceal a firearm without a permit? Definately not! If I don't like the permit system, I can always carry openly, or move to Vermont. Going to jail is not on my agenda today.
 
Coyote,

You are absolutely right. The fact that we have to have some bureaucrat's permission to practice our constitutional right is absurd. I only comply with it because I qualify for a CCW. If I didn't, I might choose to ignore these garbage regulations.

I would avoid using GOD in your arguments though. Nobody likes a religious fanatic, that is also a gun fanatic. I know you don't mean it like that, but it can come across that way. Especially in the prying, and manipulative eyes of extremist, flaming liberals.
 
Just curious ... which groups of people are prohibited from excercising free speech, and where does one apply for a permit to voice his/her opinion...?

Groups aren't prohibited. However, your right to free speech only extends so far. Consider the old "you don't have the right to yell 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre just because you want to" argument
 
You are absolutely right. The fact that we have to have some bureaucrat's permission to practice our constitutional right is absurd.
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Actually, he is blowing off the whole Constitutional angle as well. That is another man's law issue that he doesn't need because his God has bestowed rights on him.
 
Were we required to tolerate slavery because society tolerated it? Were we required to turn in Jews in Germany because society required it? Were we required to support the government putting people of Japanese descent in concentration camps in WWII because society accepted it?

No. You have every moral right on the face of God's earth to protect your God-given right with the abilities and tools God has made possible, anywhere ON the face of God's green earth. Anyone who wants to infringe this right does so not because it is morally justified, (it is, in fact, a most abominable crime against basic human freedom and rights) but because he has the power to do so. Period.
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You know you make some good points in your posts, but I also see a lot of ranting. You are like our politicians you point out the obvious but don't provide any solutions. If you don't like the situations join some the the groups and try to correct make a difference not just noise!

Why do I have to have license to protect myself?
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Coyote, you don't have to have license to protect yourself. You DO have to have a license to carry a concealed weapon. That's the the law in most states. None of us like it but we have to abide by it until such time as we can get it changed. Or as has been mentioned above, go to jail!
 
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Why do I have to have license to protect myself? To save my own life if needed? A CCW permit seems like bs to me!
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implies that the OP feels the ONLY means he has to protect himself is a concealed firearm. I'm sorry, I just can't buy this. When I visit NYC or Southern California, I'm wishing I could be packing, but I certainly don't feel incapable of defending my life.

An understanding of history and politics in this country is essential to achieving an understanding of our guns laws ... and while I'm in full agreement that almost of these laws are, in fact, BS, I'd like to believe I have a bit of understanding of just how we came to find ourselves in this rapidly descending handbasket ... Ranting about having to obtain a license to carry ... well, we've all been there, done that. Then it's time to move along and start becoming active in the RKBA movement.
 
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