allaroundhunter
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Well, the title pretty much says it all. I'm just curious as to why?
Why are Glock's .380 offerings not available to civilians?
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briansmithwins
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Great White Father say too dangerous for little people.
Not make enough 'points' on list maintained by people who regulate firewater, tobacco, and thundersticks.
BSW
Not make enough 'points' on list maintained by people who regulate firewater, tobacco, and thundersticks.
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allaroundhunter
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Under what points is it illegal?
firesky101
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http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/policy-procedure-atf-f-4590.html 75 points for a semi-auto 45 for a revolver. There are multiple factors keeping the .380 out of the us, just download that 4590 form it breaks it down.
marine 97-03
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That makes no sense ......thank you federal government your doing a fine job
Mizar
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The two .380 ACP models that Glock offers are the exact same size as models 19 and 26, just firing an anemic round and utilizing an idiotic straight blowback system. Those models are made for markets where it's forbidden for civilians to own certain calibers - Russia for example. Why do you want such a Glock?!?
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I think if Glock set up a manufacturing plant here in the U.S. then they wouldn't have to be imported, thus bypassing the point system. I believe thats why Walther has S&W manufacture their PPK here. LM
mgregg85
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It's a horribly stupid system but then again a full size handgun in .380 doesn't make a lot of sense. Sure you should be able to own one but they are nothing special.
JohnBT
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Nothing special? That's a GLOCK you're talking about.
mesinge2
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Mizar, some people (like me) have stopped justifying the 'want' for a particular model of gun. I, in no way need all 18 of my 357s or all 10 of my 1911s but I do have them.
My answer to your question is, why not?
My answer to your question is, why not?
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Mizar
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mesinge, in my country Glock is a very popular weapon (just like in the US), it's not so hard to get a handgun permit and models 28 and 25 are legal to own from private citizens. Yet try to guess, how many 28 & 25 were sold for the last 5 years... Zero. In your country, even if it's legal to own such Glock, except for very few people, nobody would buy it. On top of that this topic is discussed via the Internet numerous times - the OP just has to type "Glock+28+US" in Google...
Boris
P.S. Actually, there is a way to own Glock 28 (25) in the US - just Google it...
Boris
P.S. Actually, there is a way to own Glock 28 (25) in the US - just Google it...
Even if they could sell them, I doubt they'd sell enough to make it worth bringing them over here (or setting up a factory to make them here). They're the same size as their 9mm counterparts, but firing a weaker round that costs a lot more.
The only reason I own a .380 at all right now is because it's significantly smaller than most 9mms, and much easier to shoot than the few 9mms that do come close in size.
The only reason I own a .380 at all right now is because it's significantly smaller than most 9mms, and much easier to shoot than the few 9mms that do come close in size.
The two .380 ACP models that Glock offers are the exact same size as models 19 and 26, just firing an anemic round and utilizing an idiotic straight blowback system. Those models are made for markets where it's forbidden for civilians to own certain calibers - Russia for example.
Glock, in Russia ?
Boris,
I think it is a "honest mistake". I think you should know, there is no civilian market for handguns in Russia. Local police and army use "home made" handguns.
Glock, in Russia ?
Boris,
I think it is a "honest mistake". I think you should know, there is no civilian market for handguns in Russia. Local police and army use "home made" handguns.
The Lone Haranguer
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Discounting the "import points," they would probably also not sell here. Why have, in the same size gun, only a .380 when you can have 9mm Luger, or .40 S&W or .357 SIG for that matter?
FIVETWOSEVEN
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I heard of one for sale once in the US, it was a LEO's pistol which could be imported. It's just like Generation 1 Glock 19s, only would sell to collectors.
Mizar
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CCCP, as I remember civilian bodyguards, security guards and etc. can have a handgun (not their own), but only in .380 ACP calliber. But my information might be outdated and/or wrong.
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allaroundhunter
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To answer a few questions about my post...
1. "Why would you want such a Glock"? I never said that I wanted one, I am perfectly happy with my 19. I am just curious as to WHY civilians aren't allowed to own one in the US.
2. Why did I ask here as opposed to 'googling' it? Because I trust the answers from the fine men and women on this forum much more than I do information that I find randomly surfing the web.
Thanks for the answers everyone, y'all actually answered several question that I had not yet even asked!
1. "Why would you want such a Glock"? I never said that I wanted one, I am perfectly happy with my 19. I am just curious as to WHY civilians aren't allowed to own one in the US.
2. Why did I ask here as opposed to 'googling' it? Because I trust the answers from the fine men and women on this forum much more than I do information that I find randomly surfing the web.
Thanks for the answers everyone, y'all actually answered several question that I had not yet even asked!
guyfromohio
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I'd get one if I could because I could.
I think by now allaroundhunter knows the answer to "why you can't," and I'll address "why should you want to?"
Not everyone out in the real world is a super-tactical-aspiring-macho-gunfighter.
They might want a pistol that was accurate, easy to shoot, with minimum recoil. If home protection was one of the intended roles they might want a cartridge that wouldn't shoot through several walls and still keep going. A few of them might understand that a well-placed .380 bullet will do what has to be done as well as a 9mm (not to mention a .45) it if hits in the right place.
I suspect that some members might swoon if the found out (as they are about to) that several European armies adopted .380 pistols as service sidearms, and William E. Fairbairn armed his oriental police officers in Shanghai with .380 pistols.
Heck! Even General Patton sometimes carried one.
And last but not least, as guyfromdohio said,
So far as I'm concerned, that's reason enough.
Not everyone out in the real world is a super-tactical-aspiring-macho-gunfighter.
They might want a pistol that was accurate, easy to shoot, with minimum recoil. If home protection was one of the intended roles they might want a cartridge that wouldn't shoot through several walls and still keep going. A few of them might understand that a well-placed .380 bullet will do what has to be done as well as a 9mm (not to mention a .45) it if hits in the right place.
I suspect that some members might swoon if the found out (as they are about to) that several European armies adopted .380 pistols as service sidearms, and William E. Fairbairn armed his oriental police officers in Shanghai with .380 pistols.
Heck! Even General Patton sometimes carried one.
And last but not least, as guyfromdohio said,
So far as I'm concerned, that's reason enough.
mesinge2
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Old Fluff, that's what I was saying too. I mean I have no real reason to own many of my guns, but this is America and if someone wants a high cap 380 then heck buy one!
Personally I want a darn .44 Automag just for the heck of it and I have no reason to own that either. But if I can find one for less then $2000, its mine.
Personally I want a darn .44 Automag just for the heck of it and I have no reason to own that either. But if I can find one for less then $2000, its mine.
hirundo82
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I think Boris is right that Glock doesn't think that the .380 models would sell enough to make them viable. Remember, Glock has a plant in Georgia--they could make them in the US to bypass the import restrictions if they really wanted to.
But who, besides a collector, would want a gun that fires a weaker cartridge but is the same size and has more recoil--the .380 models are direct blowback, vs delayed recoil for all the others.
But who, besides a collector, would want a gun that fires a weaker cartridge but is the same size and has more recoil--the .380 models are direct blowback, vs delayed recoil for all the others.
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