The right of self preservation is our very oldest . It came before any Government or Religion. It has been implicitly recognized, so deeply ingrained as to need no codes or laws to give it stature. When the right and means to resist evil are gone, so your free human is gone, replaced by a serf.
Why are guns so important to you?
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Baba Louie
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"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Jeff Cooper
Jkwas
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sparx
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First and foremost, because I like having some sort of self/family-defense weapon available other than a kitchen knife, axe or 5 lb. sledge hammer around should some nut try a home invasion, car jacking or attempted robbery on myself or my family.
Second, I like to shoot them and use them for both target sport and hunting.
Third, some of them were passed down from my grandfather and father and are, in my mind, considered an heirloom.
Forth, and although last it's certainly NOT least, the 2nd Amendment lists it as an inaliable right that can be taken away by no one, and serves to protect the other rights.
Second, I like to shoot them and use them for both target sport and hunting.
Third, some of them were passed down from my grandfather and father and are, in my mind, considered an heirloom.
Forth, and although last it's certainly NOT least, the 2nd Amendment lists it as an inaliable right that can be taken away by no one, and serves to protect the other rights.
xd9fan
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"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add "within the limits of the law" because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." - Thomas Jefferson
Wish the two parties would wake up on this.
Pass all the guns laws and social justice laws you want boy and girls.......I will choose liberty and practise My Right to keep and bear arms.....
My fear is we are going to learn the hard way on this
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hey NOW gang......just another responsible married male
Wish the two parties would wake up on this.
Pass all the guns laws and social justice laws you want boy and girls.......I will choose liberty and practise My Right to keep and bear arms.....
My fear is we are going to learn the hard way on this
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hey NOW gang......just another responsible married male
longeyes
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I don't like bullies.
GrOuNd_ZeRo
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It's good to see there are so many different reasons why to have guns but all agree it should not be banned!
I get quite frustrated with the gun-grabber culture wanting a utopian world of some sort, well guess what, it aint gonna happen, as long there are violent people in this world we will need a way to defend our selves...and even if this was some utopia, we'd still need to hunt animals overpopulating this continent.
I get quite frustrated with the gun-grabber culture wanting a utopian world of some sort, well guess what, it aint gonna happen, as long there are violent people in this world we will need a way to defend our selves...and even if this was some utopia, we'd still need to hunt animals overpopulating this continent.
yy
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GZ: no, they are not. (edit: guns not important to me, that is, but life, liberty, and dignity are important to me)
BTW: your shift key is stuck.
In case you're asking in earnest: "An armed society is a polite society" - R. Heinlein.
In such a society, I can be an unarmed peon who must be obsequious for fear of punishment OR I can be an armed man who is polite out of respect for life. I chose dignity. How'd you chose?
And actually, I've seen both rude loudmouths quiet themselves when armed men stand up and seen armed gentlemen refuse to be baited. I guess an unarmed society can be very attractive to people who like to be rude and not worry about consequences.
BTW: your shift key is stuck.
In case you're asking in earnest: "An armed society is a polite society" - R. Heinlein.
In such a society, I can be an unarmed peon who must be obsequious for fear of punishment OR I can be an armed man who is polite out of respect for life. I chose dignity. How'd you chose?
And actually, I've seen both rude loudmouths quiet themselves when armed men stand up and seen armed gentlemen refuse to be baited. I guess an unarmed society can be very attractive to people who like to be rude and not worry about consequences.
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scout26
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Because 70 years ago my ancestors were denied the right to own firearms, and many of them end up as air pollution.
Nie Weider.
Nie Weider.
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Could you even imagine being raped or murdered? Having your rights so stripped away that you have the awarness of an animal about to be butchered? Every destruction of the human being is a small peice of those two, weve all been through a small peice of that, what we would have given to have the leverage of a gun. We must protect our dignity at all costs, without it there is no point to living because we would live in agony.
2nd_amendment
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one more thing
I also buy car insurance..do i hope to get into an accident? no I dont.
My gun is just another form of insurance. I dont want to shoot anyone, but I still sleep better knowing if i need it its there just like my other insurance policies.
I also buy car insurance..do i hope to get into an accident? no I dont.
My gun is just another form of insurance. I dont want to shoot anyone, but I still sleep better knowing if i need it its there just like my other insurance policies.
danurve
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You have basicaly answered your own question here, but I will add that it is also my RIGHT.
Molon Labe
You should, and I'm glad you feel that way.
Irrelivant question, I wasn't born in England. Any fictional answer to this would be bs or a dream. It it like when people ask me well what if I was someone else. How stupid is that, I am not someone else.
All I can say is if they feel they need or deserve such liberties then it is up to them to persue and solidify. If they cannot, they can try to move to America. I just hope they don't become welfare addicts or do it illegally.
Your welcome.
x9dfan
I shake my head everytime someone makes this an anti-"Democrats" debate. I fear that too much focus on one party gives a free ride to others. Last I checked, it was the current administration who pushed the Patriot Act through to keep tabs on our credit card and library use. The big database of gun owners we've been fearing may already be in place after 9/11. I'm not saying we shouldn't hold the Democrats feet to the fire; I'm saying we ALSO need to hold the republicans feet to the fire.
So why are guns important to me? I believe in the second amendment for the same reason I'm anti-death penality. I don't trust government, either run by republicans or Democrats, with that much power. While I'm fine that the federal government spends half it's money on the military (I do believe that the federal government's primary role is protecting this country), it means that more of the citizenry must be able to protect itself from the government (I agree with Sam Adams' reasons).
Nor do I trust local government to protect my family. I'd like them to try, but too many people each year prove they can't protect all of us.
I shake my head everytime someone makes this an anti-"Democrats" debate. I fear that too much focus on one party gives a free ride to others. Last I checked, it was the current administration who pushed the Patriot Act through to keep tabs on our credit card and library use. The big database of gun owners we've been fearing may already be in place after 9/11. I'm not saying we shouldn't hold the Democrats feet to the fire; I'm saying we ALSO need to hold the republicans feet to the fire.
So why are guns important to me? I believe in the second amendment for the same reason I'm anti-death penality. I don't trust government, either run by republicans or Democrats, with that much power. While I'm fine that the federal government spends half it's money on the military (I do believe that the federal government's primary role is protecting this country), it means that more of the citizenry must be able to protect itself from the government (I agree with Sam Adams' reasons).
Nor do I trust local government to protect my family. I'd like them to try, but too many people each year prove they can't protect all of us.
dzimmerm
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Because I am an agnostic
I have no belief that my life will continue beyond what I now have.
Because of this I value my life, and the lives of others, much more highly than I see other people who have faith in a hearafter.
Because of this love of life I want to give myself every opportunity for my life to continue.
I also value the lives of other humans. My Wife, Daughter, Son-in-law, Sisters, Mother, Aunts, Uncles, possible future grand-kids/neices/nephews. I even value your life, sight unseen. Because I think that life is unique, and unable to be reproduced.
If by inaction during a time of crisis I am unable to defend my life or the life of another human than I have failed in my most basic desire.
A gun is simply a tool that can be used for the task of defense of human life. I don't care if it is a .22 or a .50. I don't care if it is new or shiney or old and worn. What I care about is its ability to do what it does and my ability to control it.
dzimmerm
I have no belief that my life will continue beyond what I now have.
Because of this I value my life, and the lives of others, much more highly than I see other people who have faith in a hearafter.
Because of this love of life I want to give myself every opportunity for my life to continue.
I also value the lives of other humans. My Wife, Daughter, Son-in-law, Sisters, Mother, Aunts, Uncles, possible future grand-kids/neices/nephews. I even value your life, sight unseen. Because I think that life is unique, and unable to be reproduced.
If by inaction during a time of crisis I am unable to defend my life or the life of another human than I have failed in my most basic desire.
A gun is simply a tool that can be used for the task of defense of human life. I don't care if it is a .22 or a .50. I don't care if it is new or shiney or old and worn. What I care about is its ability to do what it does and my ability to control it.
dzimmerm
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We live in the flight path of Nellis AFB. Does the noise of the jets bother me? Of course not - that, myfriend, is the sound of freedom.
Guns are the tools of freedom. Plus they're fun.
Guns are the tools of freedom. Plus they're fun.
xd9fan
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jwharris, My statemnet still stands.
I dont work will pro-gun Democrats co-workers nor do I work with anti gun republicians
I dont work will pro-gun Democrats co-workers nor do I work with anti gun republicians
While growing up, my gun's were for hunting, plinking & just for fun.
Now, 40yrs. later they are for hunting, plinking, target practice, competition, collecting, pride & enjoyment of ownership, fun & since so much has changed in that timeframe SELF DEFENSE is a big part of it now.
Today is July 1st 2006. Today is the day we Kansans' can get our CCW application form's. Some of us are happy about this & some are not.
I pray that my grand kid's & their grand kid's are allowed the same opportunity that I was allowed as far as gun's are concerned.
I also pray that those that choose not to carry can see that those of us that do, do it in a safe, mature & lawful way. That we are not doing it to harm any one or to show-off. But rather to defend ourselve's our family & friend's & those around us.(boy, this could go forever. I'd better shut-up)
And because WYATT EARP DIDN"T USE PEPPER SPRAY!
Now, 40yrs. later they are for hunting, plinking, target practice, competition, collecting, pride & enjoyment of ownership, fun & since so much has changed in that timeframe SELF DEFENSE is a big part of it now.
Today is July 1st 2006. Today is the day we Kansans' can get our CCW application form's. Some of us are happy about this & some are not.
I pray that my grand kid's & their grand kid's are allowed the same opportunity that I was allowed as far as gun's are concerned.
I also pray that those that choose not to carry can see that those of us that do, do it in a safe, mature & lawful way. That we are not doing it to harm any one or to show-off. But rather to defend ourselve's our family & friend's & those around us.(boy, this could go forever. I'd better shut-up)
And because WYATT EARP DIDN"T USE PEPPER SPRAY!
Firearms, much like vehicles, are a tangible expression of freedom. By owning a firearm you are exercising a natural right that is denied to much of the world.
That, and I like the noise, the kick, the smell, the feel of an artifact either painstakingly crafted during peace or hastily built in desperate times. A gun is a deeply personal object, one through which you exercise the power of human intelligence over life and matter.
That, and I like the noise, the kick, the smell, the feel of an artifact either painstakingly crafted during peace or hastily built in desperate times. A gun is a deeply personal object, one through which you exercise the power of human intelligence over life and matter.
Pistolera
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Why are guns so important to me...
Being an advocate for personal rights has become important to me and that was what motivated me to buy a gun and learn to use it for personal protection. After 9/11 I started to really pay attention to our society..... and I saw the second amendment under attack and I wanted to do something. I see the protection of this right as core to maintaining all personal freedoms.
Let me tell you, it was a wonderful surprise to discover how exciting and demanding shooting and training is. It has become a central part of my life and brings me great joy to shoot and socialize with the outstanding people I've met in the shooting sports. I also think that firearm training gives us the opportunity to strenthen our character and have more clarity about the world around us.
And, they're FUN!
Being an advocate for personal rights has become important to me and that was what motivated me to buy a gun and learn to use it for personal protection. After 9/11 I started to really pay attention to our society..... and I saw the second amendment under attack and I wanted to do something. I see the protection of this right as core to maintaining all personal freedoms.
Let me tell you, it was a wonderful surprise to discover how exciting and demanding shooting and training is. It has become a central part of my life and brings me great joy to shoot and socialize with the outstanding people I've met in the shooting sports. I also think that firearm training gives us the opportunity to strenthen our character and have more clarity about the world around us.
And, they're FUN!
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i grew up in a non gun/anti gun home
as a teen i was somewhere when a crime occured and i could do nothing to stop the guy from leaving and getting away. sucked. later still a i made a discovery about guns and myself. i was somewhere else and caught a guy raping a friends girlfriend. i was gonna shoot him didn't. he went on to hurt several others finished by killing 2 people. i realized that just having a gun and not being trained or committed to living up to the responsibility was lame. i corrected that deficency in my character. i was not lucky enough to be trained as a kid learned as a young adult.my folks came from anti gun countries and backgrounds
i grew up in a non gun/anti gun home
as a teen i was somewhere when a crime occured and i could do nothing to stop the guy from leaving and getting away. sucked. later still a i made a discovery about guns and myself. i was somewhere else and caught a guy raping a friends girlfriend. i was gonna shoot him didn't. he went on to hurt several others finished by killing 2 people. i realized that just having a gun and not being trained or committed to living up to the responsibility was lame. i corrected that deficency in my character. i was not lucky enough to be trained as a kid learned as a young adult.my folks came from anti gun countries and backgrounds
mrmeval
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True nature, good or evil?
It is my duty to defend my life, my family, my community, my state and my country.
Any politician's true nature can be assesed by their professed beliefs and actions with regard to gun ownership by the "little people". No other single issue more plainly identifies an evil one than that. Any governments true nature can be assesed by their laws and actions for or against gun ownership by their citizens.
http://www.lneilsmith.org/
Scroll down to "Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?"
Quote from it "Make no mistake: all politicians—even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership—hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician—or political philosophy—can be put."
It is my duty to defend my life, my family, my community, my state and my country.
Any politician's true nature can be assesed by their professed beliefs and actions with regard to gun ownership by the "little people". No other single issue more plainly identifies an evil one than that. Any governments true nature can be assesed by their laws and actions for or against gun ownership by their citizens.
http://www.lneilsmith.org/
Scroll down to "Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?"
Quote from it "Make no mistake: all politicians—even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership—hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician—or political philosophy—can be put."
omnivore75
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What would I do if I could no longer have guns? Nothing because I have the God given right to defend my life and the lives of my family and the only way anyone is going to disarm me is over my dead body, and no thats not a figure of speech or big talk. Simple fact. I owned my first knife at 4yrs. of age (classic stag handle case xx NOT one of todays case xx knives.) and my first gun at 5yrs. of age (sweet Topper Jr. .410 that I LOVED.) thanks to my father and grandfather, and I have been collecting guns and knives ever since. They are as much a part of who I am as fishing, or playing video games, or reading, or riding atv's, or playing with my dogs, or anything else I have been doing for these first thirty years of my life and I hope it can stay that way for another 30 years if I am so lucky as to live that long.
xd9fan
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"One who values his life and takes seriously his responsibilities to his family and community will possess and cultivate the means of fighting back, and will retaliate when threatened with death or grievous injury to himself or a loved one. He will never be content to rely solely on others for his safety, or to think he has done all that is possible by being aware of his surroundings and taking measures of avoidance. Let's not mince words: He will be armed, will be trained in the use of his weapon, and will defend himself when faced with lethal violence."
Jeff Snyder from his book "Nation of Cowards"
post 9/11 and it still feels like Bush's undeclared war. Gun owners are not being asked to play a role in protecting the town,city,nation.......we are just given a rainbow grid of fear and told that your Govt is working hard for you.
HMMMM.............
Jeff Snyder from his book "Nation of Cowards"
post 9/11 and it still feels like Bush's undeclared war. Gun owners are not being asked to play a role in protecting the town,city,nation.......we are just given a rainbow grid of fear and told that your Govt is working hard for you.
HMMMM.............
I've not been asked this before, but someone once noted "No wonder you're so heavily Armed. You have so many beuatiful things to protect."
They meant it as a joke, but it struck me as a trusim that I've put into my signature.
I have beautiful things to protect. My sister and I live together and while she's no slouch with a pistol, I'd rather put myself on the line than her. The same thoughts apply with my girlfriend. But then there are the other things, grander more intangible things that are beautiful.
We have the right to free speech, the right to do many, many things which are propped up by our right to bear arms. These things are beautiful to me, which is why guns are important to me.
They meant it as a joke, but it struck me as a trusim that I've put into my signature.
I have beautiful things to protect. My sister and I live together and while she's no slouch with a pistol, I'd rather put myself on the line than her. The same thoughts apply with my girlfriend. But then there are the other things, grander more intangible things that are beautiful.
We have the right to free speech, the right to do many, many things which are propped up by our right to bear arms. These things are beautiful to me, which is why guns are important to me.
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