Why I HATE the NRA

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"I was going to fight for my ability to exercise a basic Constitutional right, but they sent me a video tape and asked that I send money to help fight for my ability to exercise a basic Constitutional right."
 
Maybe the NRA might consider putting the membership dues and donations to a use better than sending out daily renewal notices. It's a novel idea, the concept of only sending out a few renewal notices and only once the membership is due to expire within less than two months.

I bought a five year membership and I began receiving renewal notices before the end of the first year. My dad used to be a member (he bought them one year at a time) but he would receive notices before the end of the second month, so he just became disgusted with it.

I'd say the NRA is a venue for misdirection and misuse of scarce patriot funds. They didn't want to get behind Heller, but they want the credit for it... They now want to go after localities such as San Francisco and Chicago where even though they may win, enforcement will be incredibly difficult. It is one thing to win a court victory and change the law, it is another thing to have those changes put into practice and made into an ongoing reality. They ought to focus on areas where bad laws can be removed in both code and practice.

I see California as largely a write-off at the state level. They should be going after the 1986 FOPA, 1968 GCA, 1934 NFA, and pushing for concealed carry in Wisconsin, as well as a national concealed carry reciprocity program. Rather than trying to go after California as a state, they should push for federal acts that will impact California.
 
No, that's minimum wage call center employees, that's not bait and switch.

Get educated. NRA does not employ the people working the call centers.

Could the system be better? Sure it could. Is it a mess? Probably. Is it an intentional attempt to swindle?

That's stupid on the face of it. It's a screw up.
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Get educated about what? Perhaps you could "get educated" by reading the entirety of both of my posts where I say it was probably due to horrible organization at the center. The NRA pays someone to do a job, and they should be checking in on their own contracted people/company periodically, or responding to feedback about this. At my work, we're responsible for things that are contracted out that represent the company. Is the NRA exempt from this common standard? It's a poor system that the NRA has either not noticed yet, or failed to act on. I don't care which it is, but it needs attention.



Here's something to keep in mind from the last thread like this (said by Siglite):
The irony is, that those who so aggressively promote/defend the NRA here on THR probably do more harm than the good they think they're doing. If one were making a decision on the NRA based on this thread alone, and no other factors, it'd be pretty easy to come to the conclusion that the NRA is full of arrogant blowhards that hate you. (I know better. You know better.)
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People arguing here (on both sides) need to keep this in mind and reread their posts before they click "Post Reply".
 
They now want to go after localities such as San Francisco and Chicago where even though they may win, enforcement will be incredibly difficult. It is one thing to win a court victory and change the law, it is another thing to have those changes put into practice and made into an ongoing reality. They ought to focus on areas where bad laws can be removed in both code and practice.
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You'll find other NRA bashers whining that the NRA is no good because they never go after the tough cases like California and Chicago.

IMO, this simply points up the idea that you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Meanwhile, in the words of another poster, don't worry about it. The five percent of us gun owners that are actually doing something about it will continue to tolerate the freeloaders. Despite all the whining.
 
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=3247


NRA Supported the National Firearms Act of 1934

In fact, they've supported gun rights infringements "since...1871."

by Angel Shamaya
Founder/Executive Director
KeepAndBearArms.com

March 29, 2002

"The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871."

—NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth
NRA's American Rifleman Magazine, March 1968, P. 22
 
freeloaders
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?????

I've spent hours on the phone with senators, congressmen, and the like, as well as calling my attorney general to discuss gun issues and various problems with the lack of significant reciprocity between Ohio and other states when it comes to CCW.

Maybe you ought not be so quick to fire off insults, it can be like shooting in the dark, you're often going to get it wrong.
 
NRA = National Redundance Association.

It's really silly the way NRA logic works. Using myself as an example; I own guns. Quite a few of them, in fact. I shoot guns, quite frequently, in fact. I carry a gun, most of the time. I'm a member of the NRA, GOA, SASS, USPSA, OFCCW, and maybe another organization or two which I've forgotten. I write letters. I participate in competitive shooting. I bring other people to matches to let them see for themselves what it's about.

I, in short, get the picture!

So why is it that it's my inbox, my mailbox which the NRA is continually expending valuable bandwidth and postage to flood? Sure, it makes noise, but so does that remarkably similar activity known as preaching to the choir! I'm not sure if either one has ever been known to get results.

If they're trying to get the message out, they're going about it in an entirely bass-ackward way.
 
NRA does not employ the people working the call centers.
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Do the people running the call center do it as a charity for the NRA? In that case, I guess the NRA can't complain about losing a member.

The OP had her re-check the offer at least twice (escalation). At some point, potential or now former customers will walk away. At that point, it's up to the business asking for money to fix the system or not. If it was a mistake, great, fix it. If the system is a mess, don't blame the customer (who was trying to pay the price you quoted him). His main means of influence on the way you do business is to not do business with you.
 
I've spent hours on the phone with senators, congressmen, and the like, as well as calling my attorney general to discuss gun issues and various problems with the lack of significant reciprocity between Ohio and other states when it comes to CCW.
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Good for you. I'm sure Ohio appreciates it.

Meanwhile, the rest of the country is fighting the same fight, which is where NRA dollars are being spent. So while NRA members are supporting the rights of all Americans, what are the NRA bashers doing, other than perhaps looking out for #1?

And yes, I realize -- and appreciate -- the efforts of members of other gun-rights groups, but the fact is that the only effective nationwide pro-gun organization is the NRA, warts and all.
 
Your NRA membership, is, of course, up to you. If you do decide that the NRA is a worthwhile cause that helps support your values, then join using this simple method for determining your dues commitment:

How long would you like to own and use your firearms legally?

I want to own my firearms for one more year - purchase a year long membership.

I want to own my firearms for five more years - buy 5 years worth of dues.

I want to own and operate my firearms for the rest of my life - buy a life membership.

The NRA is not perfect, but the alternative is simply unacceptable.

-Dave
(keeping them for LIFE)
 
I got the same phone call from the NRA this evening, and agreed to buy a one year renewal. They transfered me to the membership confirmation guy, who quoted me a totally different price. When I mentioned what the first lady said, I was told- "I think you have to go to the website to get that price". (yes, I will be renewing by the way)
 
Fletcher gets the humor award of the week. Awesome!

Now I'm gonna get a drink and read things about the Ming dynasty I didn't know (my degree was in modern history;).

Thanks guys, I'm glad I did open this thread.
 
Do the people running the call center do it as a charity for the NRA? In that case, I guess the NRA can't complain about losing a member.
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Call center employees almost never work for the companies they are calling on behalf of. They work for companies who do nothing but run call centers.

In the real world we call them subcontractors.

It's a poor system that the NRA has either not noticed yet, or failed to act on. I don't care which it is, but it needs attention.
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And that's why you are no loss to the organization. You don't care.... your words not mine. You talk about this like it's the customer service line at Sharper Image and your remote control firetruck doesn't work. This is a non-profit organization. You don't care? Why did you want to join if you don't care? It's not like the crappy little sticker they send has any value.

If you don't care why are you posting this drivel in the first place?

If you think it's a broken system, and you care about the pro 2A fight, why not call the NRA headquarters and tell them what your experience was with their telemarketing subcontractor? Let them know they could potentially be costing memberships by confusing people. Get in the fight. Contribute.

But no, it's easier to post "Why I HATE the NRA" threads than to actually DO something.

These things exist in just about any non-profit on the planet. If you care, you try to help fix it.

But as you said, you don't care.
 
I got the same phone call from the NRA this evening, and agreed to buy a one year renewal. They transfered me to the membership confirmation guy, who quoted me a totally different price. When I mentioned what the first lady said, I was told- "I think you have to go to the website to get that price". (yes, I will be renewing by the way)
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If that was say the telephone company, would that have pissed you off? I know it would be enough for me to hang up and never do biz with them again.

I was a NRA life member, I am no longer. Infact I would give up my guns before I rejoined the NRA.

I could post for pages about my feelings about the NRA and my complaints there of...
 
they supported the NFA-34? Hm...

someone please continue with the disillusion.

okay, someone elaborate on a previous post in this topic: how did the NRA 'scuttle' Heller?
 
Call center employees almost never work for the companies they are calling on behalf of. They work for companies who do nothing but run call centers.

In the real world we call them subcontractors.
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Is the company that employs the call center employees a charity?
 
I've spent hours on the phone with senators, congressmen, and the like, as well as calling my attorney general to discuss gun issues and various problems with the lack of significant reciprocity between Ohio and other states when it comes to CCW.

Maybe you ought not be so quick to fire off insults, it can be like shooting in the dark, you're often going to get it wrong.
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Just the other day I heard that Hillary Clinton advised Barack Obama: "Better cool it on the anti-gun stuff. Nobody cares about the NRA anymore but there's this kid with a phone in Ohio who has real political power. He spends hours on the phone."

She must have been talking about you. You've got them on the run, EotechRulesAll. Keep up the good work. Our Second Amendment rights are in good hands as long as you're on the phone.
 
Robert Hairless


Just the other day I heard that Hillary Clinton advised Barack Obama: "Better cool it on the anti-gun stuff. Nobody cares about the NRA anymore but there's this kid with a phone in Ohio who has real political power."
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What would you suggest I do, mail bombs out to senators I don't like?

*rollseyes*


We cannot all do the mighty things that you do... By the way, what do you do?

I didn't know this thread/site was supposed to be a pissing contest... Oh well...
 
The NRA sent me a free knife and free duffel bag and they have done more to protect my 2a rights over the years than any other organization, but then they sent me a letter: JERKS!
 
The last time I renewed, I lost the "special offer" that I had gotten for 3 years for 85 bucks with a free small aluminum LED flashlight. It was months past the time I got the offer, so I called them. I was immediately told "Yes, I can still give you that deal." Deal done, and that silly little flashlight is one of the handiest ones I own. I use it all the time.

As far as all the mail I receive from them? I consider it sometimes, other times I pitch it. Sometimes I send them a little something. But I generally don't complain because I feel they do a lot for me.

P.S. If I ever get a life membership offer for 300 bucks, I'm gonna be all over that!
 
Is the company that employs the call center employees a charity?
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Umm, that's sort of the point of my last post. What you do, if you care, is let the agency (NRA in this case) know that their subcontractor sucks.

What you do if you DON'T care is simply hang up and post whining threads on Internet forums.

NRA doesn't have customers, it has MEMBERS. Members contribute in more ways than just financial. Here was an excellent chance to contribute but the OP decided he didn't care.
 
The NRA sent me a free knife and free duffel bag and they have done more to protect my 2a rights over the years than any other organization, but then they sent me a letter: JERKS!
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how much money did you send them to "buy" that knife and duffle bag?
 
Wow, I'm surprised at all the NRA bashing going on here, all the while they keep on fighting for our 2nd Amendment freedoms.

The key to the NRA is that they are unified and powerful. The more other groups try to attack them, the weaker all of us, as American gun owners, become. It's called divide and conquer.

To clear up some misconceptions, the reason that the NRA wasn't backing the Heller case initially was because they didn't think that they would win. The lawyer which defended Heller in the case calculated that he could win and chose the opportune moment to continue with the case.

The NRA supported the individual right to keep and bear arms; can you imagine the blow it would have if the Supreme Court declared it a collective right? I really can't. I think it would cause a revolution in this country, no joke.

Seriously guys, if you want to sit on your computers and "support" your freedoms by chatting away on this forum and pretending that you are making a difference, be my guest. It's appalling, though, to see you guys attacking each other and groups which are effectively fighting and winning back the freedoms which were lost throughout the years.

If you don't want to join the NRA, nobody can force you, but don't shortchange them for all they've done. I'm pretty convinced that without the NRA, we would have very little gun rights in the U.S..

Don't listen to hearsay and emotional arguments against the NRA. Those are the same reasons why anti's don't like guns. We are better than that.

I read a liberal article saying that the NRA was losing it's steam. It seems like many of you guys are helping make that self-fulfilling prophecy a reality. Don't worry, that's just what Helmke, Obama, Hilary and any other gun-grabbing politician want. :banghead:
 
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