WI: Gard delays vote on concealed weapons

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http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/jan04/202951.asp

Gard delays vote on concealed weapons
Doyle says GOP lacks support for veto override

By STEVEN WALTERS
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Posted: Jan. 27, 2004

Madison - Republican Assembly leaders blocked a Tuesday override vote on Gov. Jim Doyle's veto of the concealed weapons bill - a delay Doyle said proved that sponsors of the measure lacked sufficient support to force it into law.

Assembly Speaker John Gard (R-Peshtigo) first put the Assembly override vote on Tuesday's Assembly agenda, but then late in the day rescheduled the vote for Thursday.

"I want to win," Gard said.

Gard's statement unofficially verified claims by Doyle and Assembly Democrats that they were ready Tuesday to block the override of Doyle's veto of the bill.

If the Assembly votes to override the veto on Thursday, the bill would become law over Doyle's objection and let residents obtain permits to carry concealed handguns and other weapons.

Gard said he wanted to delay the vote so all Assembly members could be present. At least one Republican was absent Tuesday because of a family matter, one GOP leader said.

In a statement, however, Doyle said Republicans did not have enough votes to override his veto. The governor accused Republicans of not having "the courage to take this vote" in front of dozens of uniformed law officers, who returned to the Capitol for a second straight day to lobby against the bill.

Doyle said Assembly Republicans should stop using "political games" to run from the override vote.

"The public and every single member of the Assembly knew the vote was scheduled for today," he said.

"We're ready to go," added Assembly Democratic Leader Jim Kreuser of Kenosha, who pushed for a final vote Tuesday and who is working closely with Doyle to ensure that the concealed weapons bill doesn't become law.

Numbers game
Republican leaders predicted Tuesday that all 59 Assembly Republicans will vote to overturn the Democratic governor's veto, even though two of them voted against the bill in November.

With 59 Republican votes, it would take votes from seven of the 39 Democrats to override the governor's veto. One Assembly seat is vacant.

Although seven Democrats voted for the bill in November, one or two of them are expected to vote with their party's governor on Thursday, killing the override, which requires a two-thirds vote.

One Democratic official, who asked to not be named, said Rep. Gary Sherman (D-Port Wing) was ready to back Doyle, although he had voted in favor of the bill in November. That change alone would be sufficient to block the override.

Sherman on Tuesday twice rebuffed reporters asking him how he would vote on the issue.

"I'm not answering any questions," said Sherman, who co-sponsored the concealed weapons bill. But as an assistant leader of Assembly Democrats, he has a political duty to support his party's governor as much as possible.

A second Democrat who may change his vote, Rep. John Steinbrink of Pleasant Prairie, also twice refused to say how he would vote on the override.

Historic vote
The Assembly vote will decide whether Wisconsin becomes the 47th state to allow the carrying of concealed weapons. The state Senate overrode Doyle's veto last week on a 23-10 vote, with five of the 15 Senate Democrats voting to overturn the veto.

Democratic officials charged that Republicans postponed a final override vote until Thursday to give Republicans more time to "bribe, threaten and cajole" Democratic legislators to vote to repeal the state's 1870 ban on concealed weapons.

If the override fails, the proposal will be reintroduced next year, said Darren LaSorte, an official with the Washington, D.C.-based National Rifle Association who is coordinating the push for the measure in Wisconsin.

Also Tuesday, state Sen. Bob Jauch (D-Poplar) made public an e-mail he said that he received after his second vote against the concealed weapons bill last Thursday.

The author of the e-mail called Jauch an "enemy of the state" and a "marked man."

Although another legislator Tuesday called the e-mail to Jauch a "death threat," Jauch disputed that characterization.

"I don't consider it a death threat; I consider it a threat," Jauch said, adding that he had never received a similar threat in his 21 years in the Capitol.

Jauch said that he had not turned the e-mail over to any law enforcement agency.

He said the threat would not change his opposition to the concealed weapons bill. "It'll make me work harder to stand up to the people who don't respect democracy," he said.




From the Jan. 28, 2004 editions of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
 
But as an assistant leader of Assembly Democrats, he has a political duty to support his party's governor as much as possible.

No, he has a political duty to support the people he represents. This is what is so wrong with our political system.
 
I am glad that I don't have to put up with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel up here in Northern WI. THE MJS is one of the most biased sources of disinformation I have ever seen. The only thing it is good for is packing materials.
 
After the seven dems have a chance to cross the aisle, Wisconsin gun owners should start voting a straight Republican Ticket.
 
This ought to be an eye-opener for gun owners who vote Democrat. Even if you find an outlier Democrat who is not an anti - and apparently this Sherman creature personally does support CCW - they are still beholden to the Democratic Party apparatus which is virulently anti-gun.
 
When I finally got ahold of one of Sherman's aides today, they were "not allowed to share that kind of information" when asked what the ratio of calls were for and against the veto.
You don't think he is getting more calls to override do you????
All of WI shoud be calling him, as I told him he is the one keeping all of us from having this bill passed.
Tony
 
The governor accused Republicans of not having "the courage to take this vote" in front of dozens of uniformed law officers, who returned to the Capitol for a second straight day to lobby against the bill.
so the Democrats try to strongarm their way through and then call the republicans cowards?
Democratic officials charged that Republicans postponed a final override vote until Thursday to give Republicans more time to "bribe, threaten and cajole" Democratic legislators to vote to repeal the state's 1870 ban on concealed weapons.
like the presence of 'uniformed law officers' isnt an attempt to 'bribe, threaten and cajole' the republicans...
He said the threat would not change his opposition to the concealed weapons bill. "It'll make me work harder to stand up to the people who don't respect democracy," he said.
VFTR
 
Speaker Gard had every reason to postpone this vote. He was short a couple of Republicans who were either ill or had a family crisis. When you need all 59 of your people, and two are missing, you don't schedule a vote.

Let us not forget that it was Democrat senate minority leader Jon Erpenbach who last week took his senators into caucus and then wouldn't let them out for the rest of the day. He knew he didn't have the votes to sustain the veto.

I think that minority leader Kreuser is bluffing. I think he doesn't know if all of the seven Democrats might join the CCW forces, and so is trying to get Gard to back off.

We'll know on Tuesday.
 
Amazing about the author, that makes me think he should vote to veto the override. Btw, your link didn't work but this should:

http://www.ashlandwi.com/placed/index.php?sect_rank=1&story_id=156372

He seems pretty darn pro-ccw to me!!! I couldn't have stated the facts better than he did, he sounds like one of us. Lets hope Sherman comes through for us.

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That article points to the enigma that is Gary Sherman. Here's a representative who voted for the bill--and a less restrictive bill at that-- in 2002, signed on last June as a co-sponsor, wrote that article in early November, and then voted for the bill a few days later. Yet he now won't say which side he's on.

From what I'm told, he hasn't let either the Democrat leadership or Republican leadership know which way he will vote. He refuses to tell his constituents what he's going to do.

I may be sounding Pollyannaish here, but I think there's the possibility that he may vote with us. He has a long history of voting for gun rights.

So, that leaves open another possibility. Voting is usually done alphabetically. Let's say we get up to the "S's", and Sherman votes to override. That still leaves room for Vruwink or Van Akkeren to flip. If Doyle has struck an agreement with any or all of the seven Democrats who've voted for this bill, it's understood that six can get away with voting for the override on a nod-and-a-wink basis, and the seventh gets a high-paying job from Doyle after his/her defeat next fall.

I'd love to know if Speaker Gard could just call names at random for the vote. That would make it much tougher for Vruwink or Van Akkeren to play both sides.
 
That's what it boils down to then...who gets a high paying job in the Doyle adnimistration for the 2+ years that are left of it? That means that Wisconsin will get concealed carry, maybe not tuesday but it's inevitable.

I hope Sherman can read the writing on the wall
 
Sigh… Is this the only thing people care about? While I understand it’s important to you, is that the only thing in your life? How do you feel about Tommy Thompson making us the third highest taxed state? What about the stupid stadium?

If you’re dumb enough to make this a one issue, I hope you get what you all ask for.
 
Sigh… Is this the only thing people care about? While I understand it’s important to you, is that the only thing in your life? How do you feel about Tommy Thompson making us the third highest taxed state? What about the stupid stadium?

If you’re dumb enough to make this a one issue, I hope you get what you all ask for.

Actually, it would be very hard for me to trust any elected, representative government official who didn't trust his law-abiding constituents enough to allow them the means to defend themselves in public on ANY issue. Why would you trust any politician that doesn't trust you? Some issues are more important than others, and I think that the right to carry is a tad more important in the long run than a stadium bill would be.
 
Sigh… Is this the only thing people care about? While I understand it’s important to you, is that the only thing in your life? How do you feel about Tommy Thompson making us the third highest taxed state? What about the stupid stadium?
So we're single issue voters just because we've discussed an upcoming veto override vote in the Assembly? Odd conclusion....("and you think this is the only issue....we care about....beeeecaaaaaause....")
 
If you’re dumb enough to make this a one issue, I hope you get what you all ask for.

Most of the people here can walk and chew gum at the same time. Is there a problem with some people who can't work on two political issues at the same time?
 
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