Insurance company demanding firearm appraisals?

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DaisyCutter

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I want to cry right now.

I've been a State Farm client since 2000, insure a home, a couple vehicles, a motorcycle, and all my assets. I just got a notice saying my personal article policy would be cancelled if I didn't get everything (including guns) appraised. I've never even made a claim, had an accident or received a ticket. Nada.

OMG, why can't I state a value and pay the appropriate amount to insure my items for the stated value? This is what I always did in the past. It was good last month, last year, etc...

Does anyone have an insurance company that is easier to deal with?

Has anyone had to get guns appraised?

I'm terrified my guns will appraise lower than the actual cost to replace them. How do these appraisers assign an arbitrary value to a handbuilt FAL or a 1955 M-1 Garand? Ya don't just walk into a store and find that stuff. I'm going to be sick. I don't want to show a stranger all my stuff.
 
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USAA. I think i pay $20 a month for $15K of coverage on guns. Only had to give up 5 years of my life to get it. ( happily I might add )

If you have receipts on the hand built stuff use that. Its worth what the parts cost more or less. If anything ever is stolen , for stuff you dont have receipts on, the adjuster will use comps off gunbroker and places like that for guns you don't have receipts for. Someone, somewhere has a gun like yours for sale. Take lots of pics, build details, stuff like that. Like any other insurance you can pay for as much insurance as you want but when it comes time to pay out the insurance company will just pay what a similar gun would go for on the open market minus any deductible.
 
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We were with State Farm for over 30 years until I finally started looking around. I went with USAA and save a bucket load of money on our car and homeowners insurance. No appraisal of firearms required either.
 
That's just it, I don't want to show receipts from 1996, 1997, 2001, 2003, etc. Some of my firearms have raised 300% in value.

:banghead:
 
Showing the receipts just show you bought it. Lots of people insure things they don't own then file a claim. When it comes time to pay on a claim they go by comps up to the limit you paid for. I have guns that I claim are worth, and I pay for insurance on $1200 of coverage when I paid much less than that for them years ago. If it gets stolen they go by comps and I get paid maybe $1100 if thats what a similar gun would sell for on the open market. Maybe the comps are more. I get paid $1200.
 
Hmm, I'll keep an eye out on my policy, as I have a small firearms rider. Devil's advocate; were I to put down the full value of all my gun stuff, which at this point is a sizeable chunk of my annual income, it would probably raise all sorts of flags up and down their system, since 'no one could possibly own that many guns.' I don't claim much of my stuff since I don't feel like going before a judge and claiming that torch-cut scrap metal that used to be machineguns is not only valuable, and can be lawfully remade into semi-auto configuration and even sold.

I assume State Farm's expectation is that you have several particularly valuable pieces like an H&H or Purdy, whose worth really should be determined by appraisal prior to insurance. If you can, it'd be good to know what their threshold is for requiring appraisal, as in the case of parts kits and remade firearms, that's probably harder to determine than most (what the heck is an ugly reweld that only sorta-works worth, anyway? :D)

TCB
 
I know USAA only requires an appraisal on guns valued over $3000.

As far as insuring all your guns, they don't care. You'll just pay for it. Going rate seems to be $1.5 per $100 of insurance per year. If you had 100K worth of guns you'd be looking at $1500 ish per year in premiums.
 
Last time I checked, USAA will only insure the firearm. It will not insure accessories such as optics, and so on.
 
They will insure the optics. Theres a line item form you fill out when filling out the quote request. Theres a check box or drop down list for optics etc. I have silencers insured as well including the cost of the stamps.
 
I just looked into USAA. They'll cover my firearms, no appraisal, including scopes, etc, but I also have to insure my home with them. My vehicles are cheaper through USAA, and my motorcycle is cheaper through Progressive (via USAA referral).

The home insurance and the firearm coverage (aka a rider) is more through USAA, but the coverage is better also.

The net difference is slightly better coverage for $53 extra every 6 months with USAA.
 
DaisyCutter - it may be something in Arizona's regulations.

I've also been with State Farm for many years and just have a policy that will pay up to $2500 per item with no appraisals required.
 
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Am I reading your post correctly please. Here...

''...a motorcycle, and all my assets. I just got a notice saying my personal article policy would be cancelled if I didn't get everything (including guns) appraised. I've never even made a ....''

Does ''personal article policy'' mean, a seperate policy for valuables i.e. firearms? For example, you have homeowners & secondary rider policy e.g. ''personal article policy.''

Just want to be clear as I'm considering S.F. Ever so often I compare rates.

Thnx!
 
Does ''personal article policy'' mean, a seperate policy for valuables i.e. firearms? For example, you have homeowners & secondary rider policy e.g. ''personal article policy.''

Exactly. The basic homeowners policy covers a minimal amount for firearms, maybe only a couple thousand dollars. So years ago I asked for a supplemental policy specifically for firearms. I was able to get a supplemental policy for $15,000 for a total of $17/month. I provided a list with firearms, S/Ns, and values I assigned. For instance, I stated the value of a Glock 41 pistol to be $700, because after installing night sights and paying tax, that's what it would cost me to replace. If I take that Glock to an appraiser, he'll say a used Glock is valued at $450, so I'll get chiseled a few hundred dollars on each firearm.

State Farm never before balked at this.

I recently scored a M1 Garand with a tight barrel and new stock for $730. J&G Sales has an identical one for $1379, so I want to insure my Garand for $1500, because retail replacement is $1379 + 10% = $1516.90.

I'm willing to pay the appropriate premium for the level of insurance I want.

I'm really not thrilled about loading up my whole gun collection and having a stranger appraise them, especially because most appraisers assume you want to sell, because they advertise "We pay top dollar". But I don't want my firearms appraised at " trade-in value".

And IMO, showing everything to a stranger is a compromise in operational security.

If Madonna can insure her old saggy breasts for millions, then I want to insure my property for the value it would cost me to actually replace it. I'm willing to pay whatever premium reflects my desired level of insurance.
 
I'm a long time USAA fan but not when it comes to my collectibles.
Seems they may have changed their policy on firearms lately, when I looked at them in the past they were not easy to deal with on them.

Happened about two years ago. Standard home owners policy was revamped, adding more coverage and decreasing (at least in our case) the premium slightly.
 
DaisyCutter

Some appraisers will come to your house for the appraisal while there are others who will go by good clear photos and descriptions (mint, like new, very good, etc. with original box and paperwork etc.). See if tthere's anyone in your area who can provide this service.
 
It is unfortunate but the reasons that insurance companies are doing this is simply a matter of money. They are being pro-active because more and more people are making claims that are outrageously high. We only have our own society to blame.
 
ssn vet, can you be more specific about what was changed? I didn't really notice a change, and i usually update my policy several times per year
 
"...terrified my guns will appraise lower than..." If an appraiser did that, they're not very good at it. What you need is a replacement value rider. Especially for stuff like a collectable milsurp. A hand built FAL isn't one of those, but the M1 Rifle is.
 
Rather than complain on a public forum, why not first call your State Farm agent and get some help/answers?
 
Pretty odd, I wonder if it is agent.

I also have state farm with a pretty good rider on home ins. for the gun stuff. Also have it for the 4 collector cars. With the cars they came out took a pic or two and asked what do you want to insure them for. Same with the guns, list SN# if they had them and what you want....boom done.

Wonder if it is your agent.
 
Rather than complain on a public forum, why not first call your State Farm agent and get some help/answers?

Because I was curious how common this appraisal thing is, and I called USAA specifically because of the info gathered here. I'd say the forum worked perfectly.
 
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