are gun forums losing their alure?

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I was thinking of starting my own forum, even registered the domain. But for getting firearms questions answered, how would I beat a site like this. If you can't beat em, join em, so I took the logical route. There are some who want to ague what is foolish. Most here are polite and add value when then post. That makes for a good site.

I used to post at the PU. But it got full of trolls who insulted and called everyone racist. Got old, but they did take their troll on a good site.
 
Forums are what you the individual make of them and contribute to them. Nothing more or less.
 
One of the reasons that THR is the firearms forum I visit daily is that the moderators keep this place civil and restrict off-topic or offensive posts. I appreciate that. Remember this a private forum so the administrators can make the rules. So as another poster noted, if you want places to express your OPINION, you can find them. I won't be there.

I don't do Facebook or other social medium. I hope THR and other gun sites remain active and relevant.
+1

And there sure is a lot of experience here at THR!

But dang, if the average age here is 60, at 52, I find myself below average again. :)
 
Compared to 5 or 10 years ago, it seems like gun forums in general have kind of petered out. The hundreds of posts an guns for sale, have trickled down to a fraction of what they were. Is it a sign of the times?

Two names,
Hickock45 and NutNFancy and I hate them both. :)
 
Twenty years have changed the gun culture. Gun Culture isn't something that hides in dark corners anymore. You didn't used to be talkative about gun culture, it was something that was practiced in dingy little shops that were frequented by older men, like a peep show. Gun owners were stigmatized by society, outcast, and viewed as slightly suspicious in general and outright kooks in particular. Guns & Ammo were behind the counter like issues of Hustler. You needed to know the secret handshake, or know the right people, to get into a gun shop and not get the stink eye.

When I was a kid in the 70s and a teen in the 80s guns were something to be avoided. Pawn shops, gun stores and porn dealers were all the same thing. Vaguely dirty, places that good people avoided. There were the shotgun sports, which could at least claim to be a sport of royalty, and hunters. Handguns were a totally different thing and rifles- especially self loaders- were right out.

One thing we've gained by constant advocacy and promotion of shooting sports is mainstream appeal. We're not the shady guys in sunglasses with "From my cold dead hands" bumper stickers. We're the moms, teachers, mechanics, regular people that own guns and enjoy them. Gun shops are bigger, brighter, well lit, places to take the family, places to have fun. You see gun culture stickers and logos all over the place.

And that's good.
We don't need specific forums as much. We have a more open culture now.
 
Gun boards in general are alive and well. Those that lag somewhat might be due to technology, e.g. a lot of people like the self-sorting ability of a site with user voting on questions and answers to save time and filter more useless content, or embracing responsible gun media rather than being scared of it.

Over time, some boards can get incestuous in their culture. New ideas aren't welcome, and the members who tended to contribute them no longer show up. Right now we have a thread in which most of the posts are by members who fear ending up in another's photo at the range, or what "the antis" might do if a picture gets taken at a range. They rationalize these fears by supporting a blanket ban on cameras at the range. Great if it makes them feel secure, but in the age we live in that kind of mentality does nothing to (1) de-stigmatize shooting to those who haven't been exposed to it; (2) propagates an association between gun owners and paranoia; and (3) suggests a lack of synchronicity with guns and media–if we are paralyzed with concern over what the antis might do, I'm sure we'll piss ourselves when we go on youtube and find millions of pro-gun videos.

Then there's boards where the policies don't discriminate, except subtly if you're of a different political, sexual, or professional persuasion it becomes clear who isn't welcome; for example, no name calling is allowed, unless you're a "lib-****," referring to "Hitlery," or of "an alternative lifestyle." Muslims are also fair game for pot shots here, which is incredibly ironic for certain reasons unique to THR. Lots of folks under 30 are looking for a better discourse than that, or articulation of views that doesn't rely on the internet equivalent of a bad comedian recycling an ancient joke and then looking around and going "am I right?"
 
Those gun stores of yore were the man caves of the day. Add machine shops, factories, garages/service stations, rebuilder shops, whatever.

What gun stores have done is become 'retail' to attract more customers. The guys who would go to them then didn't care you swept the floor once a week. The people who frequent the well lit clean gun store of today expect the floor buffed and shiny. We've accepted that we need to "feminize" the experience so that the "family" is welcome. That's just merchandising at the retail these days.

Plenty of man cave stores still out there, it's those predisposed to avoiding them who miss out.

Take a read of the gun rental posts by Henderson Defense on arfcom. What do they do better than the other full auto rental ranges? No "gun babes" in daisy dukes. They operate the ranges with actual prior service members experienced in firearms operations and safety. They even choose lubricants which don't spit out the ports and charging handles to mark up the clients nice clothing.

They don't need to make it a rite of passage or employ "click bait" to make a sale. And the newer gun stores cater to that, where the old school man caves with girly calendars peeking out of back offices or rough language at the counter obviously are not.

Now, take that same mindset to the forums. Do you want to wade thru posts filled with pics of firearms toted by well endowed daisy duke wearing shooters? Or even female models? (Gotcha.) Or is the subject about the guns themselves and their employment in a legal manner?

Some censorship in a private forum is very necessary, just because some posters don't self discipline themselves and bring in all sorts of flammable rhetoric. Not every opinion is sound or even with any substantial foundation - opinions are like that.

Nope, all too often what has to be tamped down are emotional posts that don't reflect anything but the posters anguish his point of view isn't being wholeheartedly accepted. Kinda like the boyfriend/girlfriend disputes on Facebook aired for all and sundry to view. We don't really need our bandwidth taken up by a posters struggles to mature into a thinking adult.

Hence our demographics. And yes arfcom can be a bit more aggressive, but if you bothered to participate regularly it might just get the salt of wisdom applied to help some mature. They are looking for answers, too. Applying common sense to find an answer goes a long way there. ;)

Should here, too, but we seem to still have those at their advanced level of maturity who still can't see the trees for the forest.

I finally got an android, but I don't plan on using it for forums. Can't at work, don't like keying a tiny screen, and more importantly, twice a day checking for a forum that only changes postings for the most part on a weekly basis is already too often.

Perhaps if posters were required to construct submittals of at least one hundred words with a maximum of two posts per thread . . . nah, sounds too reasoned. Nobody does that.

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if people could just stop ...

bragging about "tragic boating accidents" they are about to have ( I get it -"registration/confiscation" , whatever)
it was maybe clever and funny when somebody just came up with that, now is tired and old :banghead:
 
As far as the guns for sale goes, most people are doing sales/swapping on places like Facebook. There are many buy/sell/trade gun groups and it just seems to be where everyone has gravitated to.
 
For me the forums, especially THR, are far more valuable for those seeking either to dispense or absorb actual information that will be useful. I almost always look at multiple sources when I am researching something but I would dare say that I either find my answer here on THR or get pointed in the right direction about 90% of the time.

While there certainly are exceptions I see youtube as a place for people who want to show others how knowledgeable they are or show off as it were. They don't seem as intent on imparting of their information as they are self-aggrandizing and bragging about what they know. Don't get me wrong, I have finished many projects by watching instructables on youtube but you have to dig through a lot of garbage to find the pearls.

I have frequented a few facebook groups in the past but currently don't. They seem to have the same problem as youtube and the constant bickering and vulgarity just make me grind my teeth.
 
People on this very thread have praised things I am not fond of and deplored things I like. I have read wisdom and stupidity both on this forum. We have truly taken advantage of the FIRST amendment. My first experience using the internet was a smart phone. To this day I have never used a keyboard. I have no trouble finding gun forums. Gun forums will change because everything is changeing and that's not new.
 
DH--PM said:
I used to post at the PU. But it got full of trolls who insulted and called everyone racist. Got old, but they did take their troll on a good site.
Sometimes, (ostensible) typos just result in brilliant humor. That one's just too good to pass up. ;)
 
As a twenty something i often check this site with my phone, the Facebook pages go from meh to down right terrible every other post being "yo what yall got for $150 pistol only hit me up" I hop on here quite frequently from my phone especially at work (a security post at 3am can be rather boring) I will say the interesting posts are some what rareish and the ones I find really really interesting get buried by "x is coming for our guns more at 11" and other stuff that should be left to the really bad facebook pages and the NRA fear mongering fund raiser letters that made me drop them.

O and I won't use tap talk or any other app I can just use regular old Internet for. every bloody site wants you to have their app what do they think my phone has infinite memory?
 
I spend about 2X more time here than on Facebook.

Why? Here I find dependable knowledge about firearms and blades offered respectfully w/o politics and religion.

From the rules for this forum:

We have learned from bitter experience that discussions of politics, abortion, religion, and sexual orientation often degenerate into less-than-polite arguments or claims that "my God is better than your God". For this reason, we do not discuss such subjects on THR, and any threads dealing primarily with these subjects will be closed or deleted immediately. Threads which deal with other subjects, but which mention abortion, religion or sexual orientation as a side issue, may be allowed to continue, but will be closely scrutinized, and closed or deleted if they "cross the line".
 
I wonder if those who denigrate FB, Twitter, reddit, etc. have ever actually visited any of the social media sites? Some of their canned descriptions are indeed eye-roll worthy... :rolleyes:

FB and reddit have plenty of dedicated gun pages. From antique arms to black guns and everything in between. Match notices, match results, etc. Lots of good information exchange.

I think the real fear of some is they know they would be attacked (by pro-2A individuals) if they spewed there, what they spew on many gun-related forums...

That, and they like to hide behind made-up names...
 
I wonder if those who denigrate FB, Twitter, reddit, etc. have ever actually visited any of the social media sites? Some of their canned descriptions are indeed eye-roll worthy...
Almost daily, since 2010.

FB and reddit have plenty of dedicated gun pages.
Hmm. Those seem to be mostly missing in my newsfeed,
except for one group that I started.
 
yeah, how do i find them?
also, why do we use made up names?
i don't post anything i'd be ashamed to attach my name to.
 
Aragon said:
I wonder if those who denigrate FB, Twitter, reddit, etc. have ever actually visited any of the social media sites? Some of their canned descriptions are indeed eye-roll worthy...

FB and reddit have plenty of dedicated gun pages. From antique arms to black guns and everything in between. Match notices, match results, etc. Lots of good information exchange....
First, remember that forums like THR are a type of social media.

Second, while there is some good information out there, there is also an enormous amount of absolutely horrendous, terribly incorrect and seriously dangerous information out there. Since it's my field I'm particularly aware of all the really lousy information on legal topics finds it way unchallenged into cyberspace.

Third, plaintiff lawyers, law enforcement and prosecutors know all about social media and have been learning to use it effectively in civil litigation, criminal investigations and prosecutions. See this article headlined "Bay Area prosecutors increasingly using social media posts in criminal cases" from the 16 August 2013 edition of the Contra Costa Times:
PLEASANTON -- A teenage driver originally accused of vehicular manslaughter now faces a murder charge in the death of a bicyclist, partly because prosecutors say he bragged on Twitter about driving dangerously.

His case is part of a growing trend of social media posts being used as evidence against suspects, authorities said Friday.

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As suspects feel compelled to post their misdeeds online for audiences to see, investigators have taken advantage, using the online quasi-confessions to bolster their cases, Bay Area prosecutors said.

In San Francisco, a cyclist in March fatally struck a 71-year-old pedestrian in a crosswalk after speeding through three red lights in the Castro District. Chris Bucchere, who eventually pleaded guilty to felony vehicular manslaughter, received a stiffer charge after he posted his explanation of the crash on a cycling group's website....
 
susieqz:
Use of internet nick names is a security measure. An Australian forum required all members to use their real names. Using only information mentioned in posts, I found the administrators home address and work address with five minutes on Google. This wasn't enough to make him change his policy, so I stopped posting. Subsequently a forum member had a home invasion, with the choice of opening his safe or seeing his family shot. Seven pistols were stolen.
Google SWATing, this is the very real crime of calling in 'man with a gun' at an innocent persons address in the hope that the police will kill him.
There are people on this forum who work, or have worked in high level positions at Fortune 500 businesses and at Govt. facilities dealing with nuclear weapons. Use of their real names could lead to politically motivated attempts to have them fired or their security clearances cancelled.
The option of using your full name is there, as a personal choice. But it should not be enforced.
 
susieqz:
Use of internet nick names is a security measure. An Australian forum required all members to use their real names. Using only information mentioned in posts, I found the administrators home address and work address with five minutes on Google. This wasn't enough to make him change his policy, so I stopped posting. Subsequently a forum member had a home invasion, with the choice of opening his safe or seeing his family shot. Seven pistols were stolen.
Google SWATing, this is the very real crime of calling in 'man with a gun' at an innocent persons address in the hope that the police will kill him.
There are people on this forum who work, or have worked in high level positions at Fortune 500 businesses and at Govt. facilities dealing with nuclear weapons. Use of their real names could lead to politically motivated attempts to have them fired or their security clearances cancelled.
The option of using your full name is there, as a personal choice. But it should not be enforced.
Also why I don't use my real name on sites like Facebook.
 
Facebook is cracking down on that. They don't seem to be going after established accounts, but creating an ew one with an alias is getting pretty difficult.
I knew they would eventually get to that. That's why I did it when I first created my account. People don't understand that in internet terms, this is the wild west (which we want to keep it that way). But online anonymity is something companies and government are trying to squash.

There was even a video game I used to play that I used an alias for when registering (pay by month) and they eventually started using names on the accounts for screen names, everyone that knew my real name was pretty jealous. :)
 
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