Ignorance Encounter:

[XD40EZO]

I am a typical person that is involved in many different activities (hobbies), and for support, I have joined several forums that match that particular hobby or activity. Just like THR, my gun friends.

But one of the forums I’m highly involved in is a BASS GUITAR forum. I know of a few members in there that share the same interest as I do. Guns and Guitars. Since I was in the process of selling one of my pistols, I wanted to make sure that everyone that I know (at least know of) was informed of my sale.

Well, I made a stupid mistake of posting it on my Bass forum. I thought I was comfortable enough (since I’ve been there for several years) to casually post something like this. I was confronted by members stating that it wasn’t the place to sell. Understandable. So I immediately apologized for what I’ve done. So, I told them that my intensions were to give others (gun-loving bass players) the opportunity to see what I’m selling and maybe draw some interest out of those forums.

But it did not end right there. I was bombarded with tons of INGNORANT COMMENTS. I was basically branded as a MURDER WEAPON SUPPLIER. They threw in all sorts of (their own version) gun laws. Gave me some murder statistics, ratios of criminal acts…etc… man, they really got on my case. I was LOL when I started reading their statements. I have never seen such an IGNORAMOUS amount of people. I understand if some people could careless about Gun laws or really don’t know anything, but for someone to come up with their own version of the law based on hearsay, is absolutely absurd. The thread trickled far and long.

I really did not waste my time in defense, because there’s no winning in that discussion. I still read some of the trickles for some laughs, but I think I’m through dealing with that ignorant attitude.

But then again, NRA deals with those type of people every single moment and everyone is entitled. I guess.

 

[mzmtg]

Link?

 

[chris in va]

Maybe I'm just stereotyping, but I've found most musicians/artists to be quite the misinformed liberal and I make sure not to strike up a firearms convo around them.

 

[critter]

Intillect has vast limitations but ignorence is not thus incumbered.

 

[odysseus]

Maybe I'm just stereotyping, but I've found most musicians/artists to be quite the misinformed liberal and I make sure not to strike up a firearms convo around them.

Agreed. I used to play a lot when I was younger and knew pretty famous musicians and band members. Of course, this is not country and western music. Sometimes you ran into people who were RKBA friendly, but they were few and far between. To me, many in that industry are beyond ignorant on the facts, and hypocritical with their thoughts and speech on it. In fact - that's your easiest strike on them, talk about Amendment 1 - then show them how Amendment 2 is just as important.

 

[Jim K]

Like media people. To them, the Constitution consists of the words "Freedom of the Press" and they don't see anything wrong with advocating the extermination of anyone who disagrees with them.

Jim

 

[Biker]

I played profesionally for most of my life and I still teach guitar. However, I went to the same 'old school' that Ted Nugent did. It's been my experience that most musicians are on the left side of the fence except for the country boys (I'm not a country music fan, personally).
Biker

 

[Zundfolge]

It always amazes me how artists...people who's entire existence is built around the importance of freedom of individual expression...can wholly embrace a political philosophy (liberalism) that has as one of its ultimate goals the destruction of the concept of individualism (and replace it with collectivism).

must be too much pot or something

 

[torpid]

Intillect has vast limitations but ignorence is not thus incumbered.

(ahem)

Intellect has vast limitations but ignorance is not thus encumbered.

Sorry, it's not my usual style, but in this case I just had to.

 

[HankB]

I've found most musicians/artists to be quite the misinformed liberal and I make sure not to strike up a firearms convo around them.

There are exceptions, some quite notable. Elvis owned guns, didn't he? Mel Torme (Peaked before my time, but my mother liked him) was a big-time Colt revolver collector.

Quite a few of the big names in C&W music are into hunting & target shooting.

Ever hear of rocker Ted Nugent, the Motor City Madman? (Did Cat Scratch Fever and wrote the cookbook Kill it and Griil It.) He's on the NRA Board of Directors.

And let's not forget Kurt Cobain, the drug-addled no-talent doper who improved the average quality of rock music through his use of a gun. (On the other hand, maybe he's best forgotten. Entirely.)

 

[grimjaw]

Hey, I liked some of Nirvana's music.

Let's not forgot all the gangstah rappers who, while they probably couldn't play a guitar, used love to talk about their 'fo-d's' and 'nines.'

There are some interest groups that I've lost interest in because the members viewed the subject of firearms with distaste. An Adobe Photoshop IRC channel I frequent encourages lots of discussions off topic, but not guns. Anytime an honest discussion of the subject comes up and I point out facts ("licensing cars hasn't prevented people from being killed by them," etc), the subject is abruptly changed.

jmm

 

[10 Ring Tao]

With rare exception, musicians and "artiste" types run almost completely on an emotional drive. Couple that with a sense of individual entitlement, and you have a recipe for thinking that no matter how irrational a person is, they're still right, just because they're basing it on THEIR emotions.

As we all know, those who exist on an emotional drive fail to see the big picture, and embrace knee jerk reactions as a way of life.

"Guns are scary, guns are bad, and because thats the way I *FEEL*, I can't be wrong."

 

[DigMe]

Yeah man, I see my share of that stuff over at www.talkbass.com. However we have a pretty good contigent of shooters and gun owners. Knowing this, one of my friends there recently asked a question about purchasing a Glock. Of course there were several people that flipped out and complained and said that the thread should be closed but the man (from Austin) that runs/owns the board declared that it should stay open. We've also got a running "Show your gun/knife collection thread over there too.

brad cook

 

[Dionysusigma]

First band I was ever in was somewhat based in Leesburg, GA. One day, our drummer took us out plinking with some sort of bolt .22 (this was way before I got into guns). We had gone down by the creek and the drummer and bassist were shooting at rocks and cans and general "shootable stuff". One particular empty can of Sunkist was being a problem, and neither of them could hit it. I picked up a small rock, and threw--and with a satisfying *clack* hit the thing dead center. The drummer turned to me, and asked: "Hey... have you ever seen Braveheart?"

The other guitar player hadn't come along, since his parents taught him to fear guns at an early age. Go figure as to why he had a bunch of cheap swords and junk. I mostly didn't like the noise level. Two hours of mind-melting wattage from three Fenders and a set of drums was, to me, preferable than a split second of burning powder.

Oh, and Torpid...

http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~tthomps6/grammarnazi-Zeinin.jpg

 

[Standing Wolf]

I've scandalized more than a few of my fellow artists and writers. If naught else, it offers them an opportunity—usually wasted—to open their minds.

 

[280PLUS]

Heck, I'll play guitars OR guns with ya.

Oh Dionys, wouldn't torpid be more of a SPELLING Nazi than a GRAMMAR Nazi?

Which makes ME a DEFINITION Nazi.

 

[Wayne D]

I've met the type. Drugs should be legal but guns should be outlawed. I guess they're worried about shooting themselves when stoned.

 

[torpid]

Sorry, I couldn't help it.

I have to fix it when somebody botches it while ridiculing someone else's intelligence. It's kind of a karmic balance thing.


For some strange reason, "grammar Nazi" posts are the most vulnerable to counter-correction, so I'm now filled with dread.

 

[Stevie-Ray]

Maybe I'm just stereotyping, but I've found most musicians/artists to be quite the misinformed liberal and I make sure not to strike up a firearms convo around them.

Very true. Folks like our thread starter along with Nugent and a select few others are rather the exceptions that prove the rule. Country, as was stated, is far friendlier toward guns. I went country about 11 years ago, simply because I was sick of the same oldies, and detest most of today's music. I found it to contain the best music today, but of course, you must be choozy. Like all music, not everything country is good but it's mostly what I listen to now. And most of the artists don't have a problem with guns and many are gun fanatics like us.

Does anybody remember the Eagles? Their songs are still played on country stations. That type of music is what country music is today, rather than the "man gone an' I'm pregnant" crap that was the norm many years ago. I still hate that stuff, and when some new artist hearkens back to that era with a new song, I change stations.

 

[atblis]

Do we consider spelling and gramar the same thing?

That was some pretty awful spelling. I tend to avoid correcting people, as English may not be their first language.

 

[gaston_45]

WOW. Just wow. Your thread got goodwined by a THREAD DRIFT POST!! Sorry dude!

 

[WvaBill]

That was some pretty awful spelling.

That sentence could have qualified as parody. Well, I read it that way, anyhow.

 

[DWS1117]

I can' t speak too much about musicians, but I speant 10 years as a professional stagehand doing concerts and theater, more theater that concert. I only worked about 60-70 concerts and rarely encountered the musicians. The attitude towards guns in the theater had more of an anti lean. The stagehands tended to be a more gun friendly bunch.

The really crappy part of the whole stagehand gig was that it along with the performing side tended to be driven by the unions. the best gigs and best pay was through the unions, and unions tend to support the democratic candidates. I used several I.A.T.S.E. quarterly magazines as targets because that had support Kerry adds.

 

[10 Ring Tao]

WOW. Just wow. Your thread got goodwined by a THREAD DRIFT POST!! Sorry dude!

 

[280PLUS]

I went country about 11 years ago, simply because I was sick of the same oldies, and detest most of today's music.

+1

except I went country about 20 years ago and got sick of THAT TOO!

NOW WHAT DO I DO??

Funny though, I belong to a "Guitar Society" and the Prez is a big gunner and the Newsletter editor (a female ENGLISH PROFESSOR) used to own a Sharps among other things and claimed to be able to "Hit a flea at 200 yards with it". But neither of them are actually musicians so maybe that doesn't count. Hmmm, this bears further investigation...