Sometimes the sheer hypocrisy still stuns me...

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I recently bought a biometric Microvault for bedside use, the one pictured. Sorry, I know it's not the best security, but couldn't resist it because Cabelas had them on sale for $99 (regular Cabelas price $219, $209 on MidwayUsa). Some jerk had locked the keys inside and I had to wait for the company to send me some, but that's another story. Most stunning however, after wading through the legalese in the manual ("We do not recommend, suggest, or condone the use of firearms") was to open it up and see the little sticker in the inside top of the Microvault, near the catch bar.

Really? Loaded guns shouldn't be stored here? :banghead::banghead::banghead:

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That's why they locked the keys inside. Safer that way.
 
actually, it is not the lawyers fault. The lawyers just ask the jury to give their client money. The final decision is up to the jury.

you know that if the juries said "NO" it wouldn't be very long until the lawyers stopped asking.

And who, exactly, are on the juries?

Something to think about.
 
Just another example of a manufacturer practicing corporate liability protection. Now when gun manufacturers start putting similar type labels on their products ("We do not recommend, suggest, or condone the use of firearms"), then yes, I think we would all have a problem with that.
 
Just realized last week a chambered round in my 45 could potentially take out a fireman. Decided to store with just a loaded mag, doesn't take much time to rack the slide.
 
I don't see "hypocrisy".

I see CYA in the form of a removable notice.

It's more likely that they are protecting themselves from gun owners who may be shopping for ambulance chasers after an incident.

"Hey, we told ya!"


Todd.
 
Just realized last week a chambered round in my 45 could potentially take out a fireman. Decided to store with just a loaded mag, doesn't take much time to rack the slide.

If that's really a legitimate concern just store it with the muzzle down or put a piece of 1/4 steel in front of the muzzle in the safe.
 
I'd call them and tell them I was under the impression it was safe to store a loaded handgun in it. Then I'd ask if it was really unsafe, in the unlikely event they say yes, I'd ask if I could get my money back or trade it for something I could safely store a gun in.
 
And who, exactly, are on the juries?
Probably not people like you and I. In my experience, if you ask any intelligent questions during the process of jury selection they're going to eliminate you double-quick.
 
I recently bought a biometric Microvault for bedside use, the one pictured. Sorry, I know it's not the best security, but couldn't resist it because Cabelas had them on sale for $99 (regular Cabelas price $219, $209 on MidwayUsa). Some jerk had locked the keys inside and I had to wait for the company to send me some, but that's another story. Most stunning however, after wading through the legalese in the manual ("We do not recommend, suggest, or condone the use of firearms") was to open it up and see the little sticker in the inside top of the Microvault, near the catch bar.

Really? Loaded guns shouldn't be stored here? :banghead::banghead::banghead:

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http://www.rcbs.com/Products/Powder-Measures-and-Scales/Powder-Measures/Electronic/ChargeMaster%E2%84%A2-Combo-120-VAC.aspx
WARNING: This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause cancer, birth defects, or other reproductive harm.
So do you think that RCBS wanted to put this warning on their web page to draw more clients?
 
Has a fireman EVER been injured by a loaded firearm while fighting a fire? I'm not suggesting that it is not possible, just wondering whether it has happened.

berettaprof, you should return the safe and when they ask what the reason for the return is you should tell them that you thought that you could store a loaded firearm in it, but alas...
 
Reminds me of a dual suspension mountain bike a friend bought at Wal Mart. It wasn't shifting or braking properly so I helped her adjust the cables. Below the bottom bracket on the frame was a sticker that said:

NOT FOR OFF ROAD USE.


Sometimes I wonder how companies are allowed to make such dimwitted disclaimers.
 
No, burning ammo will NOT pose a serious life threatening safety hazard to firefighters. If anything the fire itself is more dangerous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlOXowwC4c

This is a video by SAMMI showing the results of various damage to ammo, including driving a bulldozer over it, or burning it. The conclusion is that normal bunker gear will protect the fireman. Again, the fire itself is the main threat.

Large canisters of powder are a different issue - as is storing more than what local code dictates as a safe limit. I used the word "dictates" because that is how it should be taken - others are telling you your idea of safe doesn't apply. Not even. Hence the guys getting busted for having pallet loads of ammo, powder, etc. It's part ignorant fear of them doing something with it, and part Life Safety Code for fires. You are generally guility until proven innocent when it comes to storing larger quantities of ammo and other flammable substances simply because the average consumer isn't trained nor are they expert. Constitutional enthusiasm isn't a protection against explosive detonation - prepared ammo isn't the problem, but bulk powder can be.

For all that barbecue propane tanks and cleaning chemicals under the sink pose a greater danger in a house fire, most people don't have hundreds of pounds of powder in storage.

Here's the tie in for sheer hypocrisy - Firefighters KNOW this, but if there is ammo popping off in a house fire, they won't go in. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...ditorial-store-your-ammo-in-a-fireproof-safe/

Despite professionals understanding the actual risk involved and that it's less hazardous than other household items cooking off, ammo leaves the crew with the perception they will get shot. So, too bad, your house burns to the ground.

The hypocrisy is they claim to be the only ones professional enough to put it out - but they won't in many cases. "Too dangerous."

PS Military storage of ammo is done in earth berm bunkers, be careful about storing it in clean dry temperature controlled environments. It doesn't mean in an air conditioned garage under the roofline of your house. Normal ammo storage is in vapor tight packaging - ammo cans with seals and dessicant. The bunkers are vented to the atmosphere year round, it's the ground temp and surrounding earth that conditions it. Not a A/C unit.
 
Sometimes I wonder how companies are allowed to make such dimwitted disclaimers

It's not that they're allowed that bothers me. It's that the CEO's of such companies don't say "let's see, we make money selling gun safes. Perhaps we should take that stupid sticker off of this one."

I've seen owners manuals of guns that say not to carry it with a round chambered.

Well, yes, but in some cases (i.e. revolvers that aren't drop safe), that would be good advice.
 
Friends, Americans and Countrymen,

The question is not whether the vault is safe for a loaded gun but

whether the loaded gun is safe for the vault.

I say to thee....

can Bubba's gunsmithed handgun with light trigger and no safety withstand a bump in the night?

Oh woe is thee who stores a loaded handgun that the hands of Bubba has administered all of his lack of talent on.
 
Years ago in my Taurus M66 owners manual I saw the following 2 statements, separated by a page:

"Warning, storing a loaded handgun may cause serious injury or death"

next page...

"Warning, storing an UNloaded handgun may cause serious injury or death"

Guess they covered everything :D .
 
Reminds me of a dual suspension mountain bike a friend bought at Wal Mart. It wasn't shifting or braking properly so I helped her adjust the cables. Below the bottom bracket on the frame was a sticker that said:

NOT FOR OFF ROAD USE.


Sometimes I wonder how companies are allowed to make such dimwitted disclaimers.

What worries me is the fact if they are going to have the added expense of the stickers it stands to reason they see a benefit to it. I have to believe the reason the words "black powder only" is stamped on the side of my cap and ball pistol is that someone, somewhere sued the company for the results of using something besides black powder in one.
 
There was another thread here in which it was posted that a loaded gun is bad in a fire because the ammo is constrained inside the gun. I can't remember now the exact consequences that were claimed, maybe that the gun will blow up, or maybe that a bigger and therefore more dangerous explosion results.
 
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