Why i HATE conceiled carry and what can i do to fix it?

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Ok so i have a gun. I have a license but the licence and the law restricts me to conceiled carry only. It sucks. I wish i could open carry.
Anyhow heres my issues..
1) Printing. No 2 ways about it really probably doesnt matter but IMO its unsightly to print.
2) I HATE untucked shirts, including t-shirts, so (1) is a big issue.
3) it get hot here...really hot. And i work outside alot. Blue jeans and a t-shirt type job. So jackets are not an option.
And lastly im carrying my government model 1911...a little big to be trying to hide it. But at the same time i refuse to accept anything smaller than a .45 full size gun.


So what are my options? If i had a motorcycle i'd wear a vest but it probly looks kinda odd for a guy driving a pickup to be wearing a motorcycle vest eh?
Like i said conceiled carry sucks. It would seem to me that requiring a person to hide his gun when he has the right to carry it is an infringement on that right.

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Your problem seems to be the size of the firearm. As much as you love your full size 1911, you may need to see if you can find a 45 in a smaller frame....or you can move here to Delaware and OC until your hearts content. :) Curious what state you live in.
 
t Not enough info provided to offer an opinion. i guess you're California, Florida, Illinois, New York, South Carolina or Texas?
 
I live in tennessee but am 19. Tennessee has a reciprocity agreement with the state of maine. And maine issues permits to people 18+. I applied for a maine non-resident permit and am using it under the reciprocity agreement. The non-resident permits are conceiled carry only.

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Let me just say, I love 1911's but they are heavy cause they are all metal, and big cause they are 45 and over 100 year old design.
1. Printing, it happens but most non-cops, non-carriers won't notice unless it's crazy obvious. That being said, bigger fuller shirts are better. 1911's are slim, which is a plus.
2. Tuckergunleather makes full size holsters that you can tuck a shirt over, little weird, but it does allow an office worker carry.

Switch up to something polymer or shorter barrel, or get an aluminum 1911, that will lighten a bit, and a commander length. Trust me, you will still be able to hit man size targets at close distances, assuming you practice.
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NormH3 said:
Are you sure you are legal? I just looked at Tn laws and it says no one under 21 is legal to carry a firearm. I would be surprised that they allowed a non resident permit to do so. Not trying to rain on your parade...just asking.

https://www.tn.gov/safety/article/hgreciprocity
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Both the carry class instuctor and a cop said it was. Its a reciprocity agreement so they have to honor it or honor none at all.

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cobra246 said:
Both the carry class instuctor and a cop said it was. Its a reciprocity agreement so they have to honor it or honor none at all.

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The link I provided is a bit confusing. The way it reads to me, is that you need a Tn permit to carry in Tn if you are a resident of the state. It just seems odd to me that Tn would allow those from other states under 21 to carry, but not it's own residents.
 
Loopholes are fun arent they? Haha. I got my gun the same way. 80% build shipped straight to my place and no background check lol

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I'm pretty sure you won't like this suggestion, but loose bib overalls can conceal almost anything and are just as cool (temperature wise) as jeans.
 
cobra246 said:
Ok so i have a gun. I have a license but the licence and the law restricts me to conceiled carry only. It sucks. I wish i could open carry.
Anyhow heres my issues..
1) Printing. No 2 ways about it really probably doesnt matter but IMO its unsightly to print.
2) I HATE untucked shirts, including t-shirts, so (1) is a big issue.
3) it get hot here...really hot. And i work outside alot. Blue jeans and a t-shirt type job. So jackets are not an option.
And lastly im carrying my government model 1911...a little big to be trying to hide it. But at the same time i refuse to accept anything smaller than a .45 full size gun.


So what are my options? ...
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How'bout a kilt & a large sporran? :)
 
I dont mind overalls. How would i keep the gun waist high inside them?

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You're worried about printing and you want to open carry? From a tactical and a making your life easier and hassle free stand point concealed will always be better.

Your problem is the gun is too big, get a smaller one if you are unwilling to dress in less comfortable clothing. A lot of us have a different nightstand and carry gun for this reason.

Also the word is spelled concealed, I usually don't nitpick peoples grammar and spelling here, but it makes us all look bad when people can't even get common words that we use all the time when talking about this hobby correct.
 
I dont mind overalls. How would i keep the gun waist high inside them?
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I sewed a piece of Velcro into the body side of my pocket and stuck the other side of the Velcro to the outside of a pocket holster. Haven't tried to conceal a 1911 in that manner, but the pockets on mine are certainly big enough to. That's why I added Velcro since the pocket holster I use would flop around otherwise. Also did the same thing on the bib pocket, but I think having a heavy gun flopping back and forth on your chest might be uncomfortable. I've also heard of folks filling in the extra pocket space with a big rag, but I don't think I'd want to deal with working around that. You could use a belly band or your gun belt and holster on your skin, but I don't think I'd want to try and draw through the side like that - might work for a skinny person though..
 
IMO its unsightly to print.
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I HATE untucked shirts,
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i refuse to accept anything smaller than a .45 full size gun
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I ... am 19.
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With the lovingkindness that comes from having been in your shoes, not so terribly long ago, I'll offer to you the suggestion that the older you get the less important you'll find today's "hates!" and "refuses!" and "won'ts!" and "not mes!" to be in the grand scheme of a long life full of much more important concerns, worries, headaches, heartaches, and joys.

Life gives you very, very few things in greater abundance than it does opportunities to compromise and adjust your absolutes.

If you want to carry a firearm, and I applaud you for taking on that grave responsibility, you'll find that you have even more reasons to compromise than you ever have before. Reason to back down. Reasons to give up the right of way. Reasons to smile in the face of insult and laugh off injury. Reasons to act in a more humble way than you believed yourself capable of, because you now have the responsibility of death with you and you can't let yourself be pushed into the temptation to use that power at --ALMOST -- any cost.

You sound like a smart guy and you've thought this through -- defined the problem as you see it. Unfortunately, you've closed off with excuses all of the simple and reasonable solutions to your problem. You know there's no magic invisible 1911 you can carry around. You know there's no chance you're going to change the political landscape such that the laws you're railing against will be repealed -- at least before you turn old enough that this isn't a concern (probably 3 times over).

You're pining for the lawful ability to apply a solution to your problem which many (MANY... MANY) others see, however lawful and rightful as that choice may be, as introducing far more complexities and hassles than any of the compromises you've already rejected, especially at your age.

I'd propose that there are very simple fixes to your problem which would require only minimal adjustments to your list of "WON'Ts".

You don't need a motorcycle vest. That's not going to help much with the young-fellow-with-a-gun image. The last thing you want to do is look like some kind of tough guy. Something like this would take care of your problem:

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http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/...21&pkw=&pmt=&gclid=CJHy4_Olgs0CFdgOgQodJP4Egw

Or if your work is a little less blue-collar:
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http://www.menswearhouse.com/mens-clothes/mens-sweaters/tailored-vests

I'd order either one in a "tall" even if you aren't.

And there are hundreds of styles of men's vest to choose from. You could have a wardrobe full.

But they're warmer than the very simplest option, which is the class of garments known as a camp shirt, Hawaiian shirt, or guayabera.

I know, I know, you HATE untucked shirts. Well, look, you're talking about carrying a deadly weapon in public. Presumably that's with the intention that you may have to KILL someone or something in order that you do not, yourself, die in a violent attack. Maybe that's a bit more of a serious concern than your devotion to fashion sense.
 
Thanks sam1911. That duluth vest will probly work out fine. And your right as i get older im sure ill have less "nevers" in my mentality. As for carrying i must agree wholeheartedly with you that it is a very heavy responsibility...one that i almost wouldnt want but the state of the social climate has gotten more and more crime ridden that it really demands the carrying of a weapon.

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Still a little confused on which state laws the op is carrying under. If its not those of the state he is carrying in I hope he will seek better legal advice.


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You're trying to fly, but refuse to use a vehicle to do so. Sam1911 pretty much dropped the mike here. Thread closed. :D

Edit: I see as I was typing this, you were acknowledging his post. Sounds like you got what you need (for now.)

BYW, I live in a CC-only state, too, and it will not change for me in two years, or two years after that, etc. I can understand some of the frustration.
 
I don't know if it will work with a full size 1911 , but I would look at the Sneaky Pete holster and a real good gun belt .

No it doesn't look like they make one for a full size pistol .
 
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cobra246 said:
Both the carry class instuctor and a cop said it was. Its a reciprocity agreement so they have to honor it or honor none at all.

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Thats not true at all. With a reciprocity agreement you still have to follow the laws of the state you are in. The reciprocity agreements can and are modified by the states to address their own state laws. If the state you are carrying in requires you to be 21 to carry a firearm then you have to be 21. If they simply require you to be 21 to get a license and do not address the age to actually carry then you are free and clear.

Tennessee law states

"To the extent that any state may impose conditions in the reciprocity agreements, the commissioner of safety shall publish those conditions as part of the list. If another state imposes conditions on Tennessee permit holders in a reciprocity agreement, the conditions shall also become a part of the agreement and apply to the other state's permit holders when they carry a handgun in this state." 39-17-1351. Handgun carry permits.


Doesnt matter . In most states as a resident of that state you cannot get a out of state CC license and use that license in your own state. Again that is in the reciprocity agreement that you should read but I dont know of any states that actually allow that. JIf you live in Tennessee and got an out of state permit to circumvent Tennessee laws requiring you to be 21 and expect you can use that permit in Tennessee you are in for a rude awakening if you ever do use the pistol or get caught carrying it. It is evident that the OP got an out of state permit to circumvent TN law. He wasted his money.

From the Tennessee firearms website...

"The following information was obtained the the Department of Safety’s website as of January 17,2015:

1. Tennessee now recognizes a facially valid handgun permit, firearms permit, weapons permit, or a license issued by another state according to its terms, and will, therefore, authorize the holder of such out-of-state permit or license to carry a handgun only in the state of Tennessee.

2. The person must be in possession of the permit or license at all times such person carries a handgun in Tennessee.

3. Tennessee will enter into written reciprocity agreements with other states that require the execution of such agreements.

4. If a person with a handgun permit from another state decides to become a resident of Tennessee, such person must obtain a Tennessee handgun permit within six (6) months of establishing residency in Tennessee.

a. All applicants, regardless of permits issued by another state will be processed as originals. The applicant must be twenty-one (21), take a DOS approved handgun safety course, complete the Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit application, provide proof of U.S. Citizenship or Lawful Permanent Residency, pay one hundred and fifteen dollar ($115.00) fee, and be fingerprinted.
b. Licensing requirements are not included in the reciprocity agreements between states. The mutual recognition of handgun possession privileges between states has not changed and is listed on this website.
c. A facially valid handgun permit, firearms permit, weapons permit or license issued by another state shall be valid in this state according to its terms and shall be treated as if it is a handgun permit issued by this state; provided, however, the provisions of this subsection (r) shall not be construed to authorize the holder of any out-of-state permit or license to carry, in this state, any firearm or weapon other than a handgun."


Good luck going to court with your Maine Concealed Carry Permit and your Tennessee Drivers License, tax statement etc. The OP is a resident of Tennessee. His Maine license is not valid in Tennessee . Don't ever take a cops opinion on what the law is as valid. Certainly not an instructor. Neither one will represent you in court and neither's opinion is the law.
 
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Thats not true at all. With a reciprocity agreement you still have to follow the laws of the state you are in. The reciprocity agreements can and are modified by the states to address their own state laws. If the state you are carrying in requires you to be 21 to carry a firearm then you have to be 21. If they simply require you to be 21 to get a license and do not address the age to actually carry then you are free and clear.

Tennessee law states

"To the extent that any state may impose conditions in the reciprocity agreements, the commissioner of safety shall publish those conditions as part of the list. If another state imposes conditions on Tennessee permit holders in a reciprocity agreement, the conditions shall also become a part of the agreement and apply to the other state's permit holders when they carry a handgun in this state." 39-17-1351. Handgun carry permits.


Doesnt matter . In most states as a resident of that state you cannot get a out of state CC license and use that license in your own state. Again that is in the reciprocity agreement that you should read but I dont know of any states that actually allow that. JIf you live in Tennessee and got an out of state permit to circumvent Tennessee laws requiring you to be 21 and expect you can use that permit in Tennessee you are in for a rude awakening if you ever do use the pistol or get caught carrying it. It is evident that the OP got an out of state permit to circumvent TN law. He wasted his money.

From the Tennessee firearms website...

"The following information was obtained the the Department of Safety’s website as of January 17,2015:

1. Tennessee now recognizes a facially valid handgun permit, firearms permit, weapons permit, or a license issued by another state according to its terms, and will, therefore, authorize the holder of such out-of-state permit or license to carry a handgun only in the state of Tennessee.

2. The person must be in possession of the permit or license at all times such person carries a handgun in Tennessee.

3. Tennessee will enter into written reciprocity agreements with other states that require the execution of such agreements.

4. If a person with a handgun permit from another state decides to become a resident of Tennessee, such person must obtain a Tennessee handgun permit within six (6) months of establishing residency in Tennessee.

a. All applicants, regardless of permits issued by another state will be processed as originals. The applicant must be twenty-one (21), take a DOS approved handgun safety course, complete the Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit application, provide proof of U.S. Citizenship or Lawful Permanent Residency, pay one hundred and fifteen dollar ($115.00) fee, and be fingerprinted.
b. Licensing requirements are not included in the reciprocity agreements between states. The mutual recognition of handgun possession privileges between states has not changed and is listed on this website.
c. A facially valid handgun permit, firearms permit, weapons permit or license issued by another state shall be valid in this state according to its terms and shall be treated as if it is a handgun permit issued by this state; provided, however, the provisions of this subsection (r) shall not be construed to authorize the holder of any out-of-state permit or license to carry, in this state, any firearm or weapon other than a handgun."


Good luck going to court with your Maine Concealed Carry Permit and your Tennessee Drivers License, tax statement etc. The OP is a resident of Tennessee. His Maine license is not valid in Tennessee . Don't ever take a cops opinion on what the law is as valid. Certainly not an instructor. Neither one will represent you in court and neither's opinion is the law.
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This was my concern and how I was interpreting the law although I am not a lawyer. I do know that as a resident of Delaware, I need a resident permit to carry CCW legally here. As a resident, another state's CCW that has a reciprocal agreement with Delaware won't be valid.
 
If you insist on carrying a full size 1911, you could consider a quality cross carry bag, such as what Coronado Leather sells, which has a "hidden" gun compartment big enough for most handguns and is carried across the body, leaving both hands free. You may think this screams "Gun!" but I have one of these bags that I use occasionally in hot weather (and include my keys, phone, sunglasses, wallet, etc. in the bag as well as extra ammo, speed strip or magazine) and NO ONE has ever commented on it over the last 10 years. Otherwise, get a compact 45 such as what Kimber sells (they used to call it the Ultra Carry; not sure what they name that model now) so that you have the 1911 design, all steel, and smaller that your full sized 45. You could carry it in a decent pocket holster so there would be no need to untuck your shirt.
 
Since smart phones are in vogue you can get a holster that looks like a smart smart phone holder. A few years ago this would have looked odd but not anymore.

There are smaller .45s than the 1911. You should check them out.

Also, consider a .357 revolver. Arguably, it is more powerful than a .45 and in many ways easier to conceal since only the cylinder is "fat" and the rest of the gun is thin. You can also get really light .357s now (under 15 oz).
 
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