Apple: no more gun emojis!

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Apparently gun emojis are being removed from the iOS operating system in the next release. Gun control is almost becoming an issue of thought control these days. It isn't all about violence, or "gun violence", or health and safety... it's an issue of even discussing or thinking about guns.

Does this particular move really impact my life? Not really. I'm an adult, and I don't use many emojis in the course of my conversations. But, the whole concept annoys me, because it's just one more way for anti-gun groups to convince the American consumer that guns are bad/evil/dangerous.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/01/technology/apple-pistol-emoji/index.html
 
I saw this last night. Made me want to vomit. 8 more years of this Democrat nonsense.

Anyone can use any bathroom, but God forbid there's a gun emoji. Our grandfathers were shooting Nazis in WW2 but we can't use a mini picture of one on a cell phone.

Hold on while I enter my safe space and come to grips with this.
 
A number of these news articles are citing the fact that the gun emoji has been used to communicate threats to people in the past. Give me a break. Words are used for the same purpose. Will Apple soon decide that texts with the word "gun" in them should be removed? Can I no longer speak of rifles in e-mails sent through their servers? I know this currently sounds like a stretch, but I suppose that's the next step for anti-gun groups. After all, advocating for gun control isn't even enough for them anymore. These days they have to go after images of guns, even if the image is merely a cartoon drawing!
 
Well, I would have had the exact same response two years ago, but not now. Let me explain. So, I graduated High School in 1981. I earned a M.S. degree in Computer Science. I was one of the early Mac developers. I do iOS development on the side now, but mostly work in "big data" and large server problems (distributed, scaling, active-active, etc.)

My brief background is to show you I am not of the "texting" generation. I send text messages, maybe three a day.

My children are of that generation. They send probably hundreds a day. My dear neighbor's daughter, the same age as my youngest, and now another girl from the same class have committed suicide. They were bullied into it. Yes, these girls were different, not popular, and clearly easily emotionally upset. I don't know about the other girl, but my neighbor's girl would get told by the bullies to kill herself. Now, just like many of you, I would say, "Tell them to kill themself." "Tell them to kiss off." "Punch them in the nose" "Defend yourself". Well that all works fine and well with a "normal" child.

I know the latest girl texted her friends right before she shot herself (2 weeks ago) and she sent them the emojis of a head and a gun to it. Then she shot herself. Her sister and brother-in-law got the pleasure of finding her.

I suspect the bullies text the same or similar things to their victims.

It seems to be something this younger generation does, it seems to have significant effect as well.

Now, I know if they take the gun emoji out, they can just text "kill yourself", but this stupid thing they are doing is having affect on these emotionally insecure children.

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I know this is all a slippery slope. With the level of teen suicide and that this is a tool that is used to cause it to happen I see what is going on. Especially since they pick and choose their emojis, it is theirs to do.
 
The article I read said Apple changed the gun emojis to a squirt gun.

Article also said Microsoft has done or is going to change the gun emojis.

Don`t you all feel a lot less threatened with the squirt gun emojis???
 
Now, I know if they take the gun emoji out, they can just text "kill yourself", but this stupid thing they are doing is having affect on these emotionally insecure children.

As a father of kids in the same age bracket, I can commiserate. "KYS" seems to be a rather popular testing term for the younger generation.

Removing the emojie will have no impact. Teenagers are generally immature jerks to kids they don't like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6EQAOmJrbw
 
Glad to see they are retaining the 400 variations of same gender parents/partners with child, though. Gotta stick to what's really beneficial.

/ibtl
 
Good thing! It could have gone off and kilt someone!! Idiots...

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Who are the idiots? :scrutiny:
Seriously? Lol...Apple, for removing gun emoji. It will do absolutely nothing. Perhaps make a left leaning anti feel good about himself...but, I doubt anyone will even notice.

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Business Insider had some comments that are both interesting and unexpected.

On my part I don't presently own anything Apple, and in the future I won't. They are in the communication electronics business, and should stick to it!

There's a huge problem with Apple's plan to combat gun violence by changing an emboli

Rob Price Aug. 2, 2016

Apple is using emojis to take a stand against gun violence — but the decision could have serious adverse consequences.

The Cupertino, California, technology giant has decided to change the design of its handgun emoji from a revolver to that of a toy water pistol.

It's not the first time Apple has viewed emojis as a political medium: It previously blocked the introduction of a rifle emoji.

But this time, it's very different.

Apple, by changing an existing emoji's design so radically, could cause widespread confusion across platforms.

And more worryingly, it will retroactively change the meaning of countless historic messages and texts — setting a dangerous precedent with unpredictable results.

Apple's new water-gun image alongside the current revolver emoji. Apple
Emojis aren't just another kind of letter

Apple doesn't create emojis — though its versions of them are most widely recognized. Instead, they are set by a standards-setting body called the Unicode Consortium. Once new emojis are approved for new versions of Unicode, companies like Apple, Google, and Microsoft implement them into their platforms.

While emojis have clear names, it is up to the companies to decide what they look like, hence their looks can differ from platform to platform. It's basically the same as a font: An "R" is still an "R," whether it is rendered in Helvetica or Times New Roman.

But there's a very significant difference between emojis and traditional letters: Emojis are hieroglyphics. A font can't change your interpretation of a letter (or word), but the particular representation of an emoji is crucial in determining how it is perceived. Studies have found wild variance in the interpretation of and emotional response to certain emojis, based on how the platform chose to show them.

And compounding the matter is the fact that many emojis have taken on deeper symbolic meaning and cultural significance, which directly stems from the image given to them. The information-desk girl signifies sass or sarcasm. Women with bunny ears are best friends. The eggplant/aubergine is a penis.

Apple is tampering with the past

If you change an emoji's image, you change its meaning. And any change made to an emoji doesn't just affect new emojis used going forward. It changes how the user sees emojis that have been used in the past.

Apple's change, while well-intentioned, will unilaterally modify the meaning of countless historic messages, texts, and uses of emojis — transforming them in unpredictable ways.

It's a small consolation that Apple isn't taking the nuclear option and removing the handgun emoji altogether, as some anti-gun activists have called for.

Just imagine if Apple decided to remove the word "gun" from its platform, rendering past sentences that used it meaningless. It would be terrifying abuse of power — and it's the exact same principle.

There's nothing wrong with companies taking a political stance on issues. Much of Apple's advocacy, in areas like civil rights and environment causes, has been admirable. But it's questionable what this change will even achieve.

The gun emoji doesn't glamourise gun crime. Altering it won't solve gun violence. And there's a reasonable argument to be made that emojis — like "conventional" language — should reflect reality, warts and all.

"The bomb, syringe, and knife all remain in non-toy form, so I'm not sure I see the benefit of changing just this single image," Jeremy Burge, the founder of the emoji website Emojipedia says. "In particular, making dramatic changes to an emoji appearance is terrible for backward-compatibility."

Apple did not respond to a request for comment.

The change will only produce confusion

Apple's change will stymie our attempts to understand historic messages — but it will also create confusion on a day-to-day basis.

Almost all platforms render the handgun emoji as a revolver. Only Microsoft doesn't, going for a toy-esque ray gun — but it has just updated it to a "real" gun. (Microsoft's change is also arguably problematic, but its emojis are far less widely used, and the change brings it in-line with consensus.)

As such, there is potential for serious miscommunication across different platforms. Apple's image looks light-hearted, fun, jovial — while the pistol rendered by Google et al is more serious and arguably threatening.

In March a Frenchman was actually jailed for sending his ex-girlfriend the pistol emoji, in what was interpreted as a threat. What if a joke sent from an Apple user to a Google user is misconstrued because of differences in rendering? Or if a genuine threat sent by a Google user to an Apple user goes unreported because it is taken as a joke?

There's no real precedent for any of this

We're in uncharted territory here. Should emoji images, once settled on, never be updated? Many are slightly tweaked on a yearly basis, with Google's going through multiple iterations. Or should they only be updated enough to keep them looking modern? Bearing in mind that even a subtle change can affect how it is emotionally perceived.

Words, their meanings, and their connotations, can — and do — change over time. But it's a gradual, unconscious process. Emojis, with their hieroglyphic nature and changes decided by committee, are something else entirely.

One thing is clear, though. Apple is tampering with the meaning of hundreds of millions of old messages, documents, and private communications to score a political point — and that might not be a precedent we want to set.

http://www.businessinsider.com/appl...onfusion-precedent-meaning-retroactive-2016-8
 
BTW: I don't mind the Apple bashing, but don't forget to check the other companies. I am a registered Microsoft Developer and Apple Developer. I did some checking on MS when I came across someone speculating that MS was anti-hunting. I did some research and yes, they donate generously to an anti-hunting group.

I am all for people boycotting products and companies for whatever their reason. I have bought four new cars since my last Goberment Motors car.

I often wonder when the day will come that Apple requires me to take Gun Log SPC off the app store. Never once have they said anything to me about the app, its icons, or anything.

But, you know what Apple owns their hardware and Mac and iOS. Microsoft owns Windows OS. It is theirs and they can do what they want.
 
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I found it more alarming that a kid got expelled for his pop tart gun than whatever Apple does with an emoji. Yes, they are brain washing our youths from the day they start school or are old enough to use emojis. The brain washing will take time but when this present generation of first graders become 30, guns will be considered as bad as the plague.
 
Apparently gun emojis are being removed from the iOS operating system in the next release. Gun control is almost becoming an issue of thought control these days. It isn't all about violence, or "gun violence", or health and safety... it's an issue of even discussing or thinking about guns.

Does this particular move really impact my life? Not really. I'm an adult, and I don't use many emojis in the course of my conversations. But, the whole concept annoys me, because it's just one more way for anti-gun groups to convince the American consumer that guns are bad/evil/dangerous.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/01/technology/apple-pistol-emoji/index.html
Oh, I didn't know adults shouldn't use emojis. :rolleyes:

They can be fun to use in the right context, such as with friends. I think it's extremely stupid of Apple to do this, but luckily Android hasn't yet.
 
Oh, I didn't know adults shouldn't use emojis. :rolleyes:

They can be fun to use in the right context, such as with friends. I think it's extremely stupid of Apple to do this, but luckily Android hasn't yet.
Either way, I'd bet aftermarket keyboard apps, that have it, will be available through Google play for Androids.

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Well, I would have had the exact same response two years ago, but not now. Let me explain. So, I graduated High School in 1981. I earned a M.S. degree in Computer Science. I was one of the early Mac developers. I do iOS development on the side now, but mostly work in "big data" and large server problems (distributed, scaling, active-active, etc.)

My brief background is to show you I am not of the "texting" generation. I send text messages, maybe three a day.

My children are of that generation. They send probably hundreds a day. My dear neighbor's daughter, the same age as my youngest, and now another girl from the same class have committed suicide. They were bullied into it. Yes, these girls were different, not popular, and clearly easily emotionally upset. I don't know about the other girl, but my neighbor's girl would get told by the bullies to kill herself. Now, just like many of you, I would say, "Tell them to kill themself." "Tell them to kiss off." "Punch them in the nose" "Defend yourself". Well that all works fine and well with a "normal" child.

I know the latest girl texted her friends right before she shot herself (2 weeks ago) and she sent them the emojis of a head and a gun to it. Then she shot herself. Her sister and brother-in-law got the pleasure of finding her.

I suspect the bullies text the same or similar things to their victims.

It seems to be something this younger generation does, it seems to have significant effect as well.

Now, I know if they take the gun emoji out, they can just text "kill yourself", but this stupid thing they are doing is having affect on these emotionally insecure children.

emoji.jpg
f6c9052089bb02807523b98a0b0a7291.png

I know this is all a slippery slope. With the level of teen suicide and that this is a tool that is used to cause it to happen I see what is going on. Especially since they pick and choose their emojis, it is theirs to do.
That is a sad story and all but you said it yourself. She was bullied and emotionally fragile. Forming a society to comfort a minority is a recipe for unrest and disaster. More to the point, everything you do offends somebody somewhere and bowing to these zealots unveils a monotone and totalitarian world without freedoms or individualism.

Making these changes isn't proactive but instead admits there is a problem where there isn't one and panders to a certain audience both of which reinforce misguided ideology that flies in the face of the sport everyone on this board constitutionally enjoys and more importantly our freedoms.

Yes, I realize much of that sounds extreme and you're thinking to yourself it's a private company and its only emojis. I agree with that but we must realize the effects of these decisions. Again, these actions admit there is a problem that need to be rectified when there isn't one. Children teasing eachother and firearms are as old as this country.
 
Heck with Apple

I have been using Iphones for 5 years and am ready to buy a new phone, Guarantee it will NOT be an Iphone. I have had many issues with Apple including a court case against them, which I won!
Apple is a very large corporation that has lost touch with its customer base and its now showing in its recently released sales figures. It has lost a big chunk of its market share, and still declining.
As i said, I am buying a new phone this week and its a Korean maker (hint) Superior product and a supplier that has listened to what the buyer wants.
So in a small way, I am going to retaliate by NOT buying Apple Product.
Hate to buy from an off shore manufacturer but Apple hasn't given me a lot of choice with their Haughty attitude.
Personally I dont use many Imojis but how stupid can Apple get? A friend and I are at the range several times a week. A quick text on the Iphone with a handgun to the buddy always got an immediate response and we were off to the range..
 
This makes their fonts non-Unicode compliant. You can choose not to implement individual Unicodes, or deimplement them like Microsoft did with fylfots (also silly) and still be compliant.

Mike
 
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