Apparently the United Methodist Church is anti-gun

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What should be pointed out is that true reform would address the issue of violence, not be a focus on gun violence. Looking at the local newspaper reports of homicides, I see more in common among the sets of gun and non-gun violence perpetrators/victims, and less in common among the set of gun violence perpetrators/victims and the superset of average gun owners. Blaming the gun and banning it as a cure, reminds me of the 1950s claim that, because juvenile delinquents often read comic books, banning comic books would save juveniles from delinquency.
 
What should be pointed out is that true reform would address the issue of violence, not be a focus on gun violence. Looking at the local newspaper reports of homicides, I see more in common among the sets of gun and non-gun violence perpetrators/victims, and less in common among the set of gun violence perpetrators/victims and the superset of average gun owners. Blaming the gun and banning it as a cure, reminds me of the 1950s claim that, because juvenile delinquents often read comic books, banning comic books would save juveniles from delinquency.
The problem is that very few news outlets report how firearms saved lives. From the 80 year old grandma with a shotgun who stopped a home invasion to the 30 year old lone female who stopped a rapist with her legal pistol to the man who stopped a mass shooting in a crowded venue with his 9mm Glock.

The root of some crimes seems to stem from drugs and drug addiction. Criminals steal to afford their drug addiction, drug pushers steal drugs and money from other drug pushers, gangs 'protect' their turf with violence so no one else muscles in on their operations. Other reasons for crime are the lure of easy money and power without being concerned about the consequences. Rapists and sex offenders have an sex addition. If there was some magic pill that would control additions and criminal behavior, the inventor would be the richest person on earth. And it would solve a majority of criminal behavior.

Regarding anti-gun organizations. The best thing is to counter their lies with the truth that guns save lies. Draconian gun legislation and gun free zones never worked to protect the public. There was a lady who was shot to death in New Jersey by her ex while waiting weeks for permission to purchase a pistol. These schemes create much more problems by forbidding law abiding citizens from protecting themselves.

And the the notion that the police can protect the public doesn't really hold true in every case. The Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no duty to protect. And the criminals are not going to observe gun control laws and gun free zones but rather take advantage of the fact that the victims cannot legally fight back.

From what I read here so far, it would seem that the the old "Hand Gun Control" was still in business and dictating their agenda to the UMC. If enough people left the denomination and went to another. It might be a wake up call and catalyst for a change in the right direction. It would be a shame to have to leave a church organization, especially when their family have been a member for generations.

The answer is to start a pro-gun organization for UMC members, and call it United Methodist Members for Gun Rights. Get signatures, start a petition demanding change. Send them pro-gun articles where a firearm saved a life. Send them reports that showed a drop in crime where pro carry laws was enacted. I don't know how or who is on the top level of the UMC, but if they are anti-gun. Demand they resign their position and help 'elect' or appoint pro-gun leaders.

While complaining here is good, much more can be done when enough UMC members/congregation get together to change the anti-gun philosophy to a pro-gun one. That is the way to do it.

Get organized, gather signatures in numbers and good luck,
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The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) is also against its members arming themselves for self-defense. The General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church has publicly stated it is opposed to the killing of anyone for any reason.
This is true, and it's one of the MANY reasons that our local church is leaving the PCUSA organization.

Of course, several local church members have carry permits (including my wife and myself).
 
So I guess that's why Jesus told His disciples to own swords? Why God told Nehemiah to arm those repairing the wall in Jerusalem?

And what exactly did Cain kill Abel with? Fists? Ban fists! Rocks? Ban rocks!

Sorry, but they're off their rocker. I call upon gun owners to join a different church to show their lack of support.

I'm Southern Baptist.
 
This is hardly new; the UMC has held this position for some time now. Ditto some other religious organizations (CoB, PCUSA, UCC, SDA, etc.). Depending on the form of church governance, one could work to change it. How successful that would be is another story.
 
"The answer is to start a pro-gun organization for UMC members, and call it United Methodist Members for Gun Rights. Get signatures, start a petition demanding change. Send them pro-gun articles where a firearm saved a life. Send them reports that showed a drop in crime where pro carry laws was enacted. I don't know how or who is on the top level of the UMC, but if they are anti-gun. Demand they resign their position and help 'elect' or appoint pro-gun leaders. "

Great suggestion IMO.
 
This is the reason I currently attend a Baptist church at my new location (Virginia) though I am still a confirmed member of the UMC and married where I attended (NJ).

I think some of the posts about left leaning UMC membership may also be based geographically. There are virtually no Baptists in NJ and I found our UMC congregation quite conservative.

I knew the anti gun stance, but not until I got into guns.
 
"The answer is to start a pro-gun organization for UMC members, and call it United Methodist Members for Gun Rights. Get signatures, start a petition demanding change. Send them pro-gun articles where a firearm saved a life. Send them reports that showed a drop in crime where pro carry laws was enacted. I don't know how or who is on the top level of the UMC, but if they are anti-gun. Demand they resign their position and help 'elect' or appoint pro-gun leaders. "


Great suggestion! Simply leaving the church does not accomplish anything, especially if your local congregation is at odds with the org. Each church sends delegates to an annual conference which come sup with these church "positions". Most members put little thought into deciding their delegates, or choosing people that will aggressively represent the local congregation. We need to stop sending that nice lady who "always does it", and select somebody with some fight in them, and we often fail as a congregation to send them with a clear agenda, and stop treating the annual conference as a social event.
 
"The best thing that can be done is to organize and effort within to change the policy."
You mean, a protest of church doctrine? Sorry, couldn't resist the pun/parallel :D

...gonna go post 98 theses on the local FUMC's homepage :evil:

TCB
 
It is my belief that the church is the body of believers who share a common doctrine. If the governing organization is at odds to what you believe, then become an independent church. Easier said than done, but sometimes necessary to preserve what you hold is true.
 
If the governing organization is at odds to what you believe, then become an independent church. Easier said than done, but sometimes necessary to preserve what you hold is true.

I'm going to disagree to the point of saying this should only be a very last resort after all efforts to reform, influence, and change the church have failed. Much better to pursuade a lrage unified body to sway in teh right direction than to split it up and go in different directions.

The best thing that can be done is to organize and effort within to change the policy.

Absolutely. Only the members of the UMC can change the UMC from within, and I'd be the frst to condemn them for changing anything because of outside infleunces.
 
Usually when one of the mainstream Protestant denominations comes out as anti-gun, it's because their ranks have been infiltrated by bleeding heart liberals. If you notice, the UMC stance is basically a verbatim talking points of the Democrats 1992ish gun control agenda.

As a Catholic, we are facing the same issue. There is no official stance on Gun Control within the Catholic church and yet, every now and then, the US Catholic Bishop's Conference will poke its head out and call for gun control- a purely political position. It has as much religious significance to a Catholic as their opinion on Coke vs. Pepsi. To blame the guns for violence would be to acknowledge Gnosticism- something I like to accuse pro-gun control Catholics of. Like the UMC, their talking points read like a memo printed in the early 1990s. "Oh, I should give up my Tec-9 and Street Sweeper? Sure, I guess I won't be purchasing that new Beretta AR-70 either..." :rolleyes:
 
Hell, the methodist church has been anti gun since the 80s. Along about the same time they were supporting communist insurgencies in many of the 3rd world countries.
When I learned about this I politely told the minister of my church just where the church could shove my membership! :mad: I don't think I've been back inside a methodist church since - unless it was for a funeral of someone I liked.
Sarge
 
Agreed, BUT it is generally not the local churches that are the problem, rather it is the national organization for that denomination. In the case of the Methodists it is the UMC = united methodist church.
Sarge
 
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