2 new .410 lever actions from Henry

Now I really like these. I like the full choked 24" quite a bit better than the cylinder choked gun. that's just my preference. If they offered choke tubes things might be different but not by much. A cylinder choked 410 just seems wrong.
Still, I like a good 410. To date I haven't tried a Henry. This might be the one.

If you remove the full choke, it looks like you'd have to screw something back in...?

Fwiw
I once bored out a .410 full choke to .408 and couldnt tell any noticeable difference in the pattern on paper.
Ymmv

Winchester and Marlin chambered the lever guns to .410 when Australia banned most magazine shot guns. Marlin had .410 lever guns decades ago.
And now there is the Adler 110 lever action shotgun.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...DC2F3453CE818B46A319DC2F3453CE818&FORM=VRDGAR

I have to wonder how well that 20 would handle some of the "pistol" self defense rounds.

-kBob

danez71 said:

Generally speaking... whats fairly equivalent to .410 slug in terms of overall performance/energy etc?
I'm assuming some pistol round is the answer.....? Or maybe I should be asking What pistol caliber carbine would be about the same performance a this Henry shooting slugs?

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Almost 357 mag or maybe a 327 federal? A 410 slug from a 2.5" shell is either 1/4 oz or 1/5 oz. So a bit over 100 grains for the 1/4oz slug. They are pretty fast, around 1500 fps, but slow down to about 850 fps at 100 yds. Penetration is the problem, as the bullet is light for caliber (it is about .400 in diameter, so larger than the 357, but less weight than a 357 load). I'd limit it to coyotes. Not legal for deer here in WA.

Looks like it would make a great ground based small game/foraging/ pest control gun.

If you handload, it might be a fun plinker too. There are handloads that use a single pellet of 000 buck as a slug. If you could get something like that to be minute of rabbit out to 25 yards or so, you have a fun gun that will fill much of the role of a .22 LR, but with hulls that can be reloaded cheap minus the initial equipment investment.

You know a while back we were talking about building .410 brass cases from .444 Marlin and .30-40 Krag. Those might be interesting from the new Henry Rifles.

I have often wondered why no one has made a fin stabilized long for caliber sabot loaded slug for the .410 Say something like a 250 grain wasp waisted .35 cal with three or four stub fins canted at a hair of an angle to provide some stability and in a nice modern plastic sabot.

Perhaps something Beneke like with a heavier solid slug with one of their shuttle cock wads to keep it point first. Got to be better than a teenie tiniy foster slug or a pumpkin ball.

Again a three 000 buck shell out of a 20 inch barrel might could be coxed to go faster than the same from a Judge or derringer, especially with handloading.

Now I have to wonder where all those .410 "Snake Charmers" with their 20 inch tubes went and if anyone has shot handgun defensive ammo in them.

Saw a .410 in a pawn shop last week I liked, until I turned over the price tag. Some of the prettiest wood I ever saw on a Winchester 37 and I am still not convinced the metal had not been refinished to look so nice (broker said it was a found in closet when the old man died gun) but $498 is a bit to rich for my pocket book.

-kBob

HMMMMM....buckshot gun

Dog Soldier said:

Winchester and Marlin chambered the lever guns to .410 when Australia banned most magazine shot guns. Marlin had .410 lever guns decades ago.
And now there is the Adler 110 lever action shotgun.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...DC2F3453CE818B46A319DC2F3453CE818&FORM=VRDGAR

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I've been waiting to actually look at one of these for over a year now. Lever guns are much more intuitive for me than pump.

Janos Dracwlya said:

I've been waiting to actually look at one of these for over a year now. Lever guns are much more intuitive for me than pump.

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You would probably like the reproduction of a Winchester Mdl 1887 shotgun.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...49F22984CA433CCBB36049F22984CA433CC&FORM=VIRE

I shot Trap with a Model 1887 once; Glad it wasn't doubles.

Dog Soldier said:

You would probably like the reproduction of a Winchester Mdl 1887 shotgun.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...49F22984CA433CCBB36049F22984CA433CC&FORM=VIRE

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I've looked at them a number of times. The lever-throw is a bit long, but I will probably get one eventually. The advantage with the Adler over the 1887 is the higher capacity and the removable chokes, but I guess that could be overcome.

Janos Dracwlya said:

The advantage with the Adler over the 1887 is the higher capacity and the removable chokes, but I guess that could be overcome.

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I've been using an Italian Chiappa 1887 for a few years using it for PSG.

The Chiappa comes with three chokes and a 6+1 capacity although, since it lacks a cross-bolt safety, I never start fully loaded but go "cruiser ready" instead. I usually come last in the comps but have a *shed-load* of fun doing so:



A review that I did a while back:

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/233403-review-of-the-chiappa-1887-lever-action-shotgun/

It's still workin' just fine.

Regards,

Mark.

P.S. The *real* advantage of the Adler, for PSG at least, would be the ability to top up easily and load quicker in the first place.

CaptainChaos said:

I've been using an Italian Chiappa 1887 for a few years using it for PSG.

The Chiappa comes with three chokes and a 6+1 capacity although, since it lacks a cross-bolt safety, I never start fully loaded but go "cruiser ready" instead. I usually come last in the comps but have a *shed-load* of fun doing so:



A review that I did a while back:

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/233403-review-of-the-chiappa-1887-lever-action-shotgun/

It's still workin' just fine.

Regards,

Mark.

P.S. The *real* advantage of the Adler, for PSG at least, would be the ability to top up easily and load quicker in the first place.

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Thanks. I had forgotten about the Chiappa, though the price is a bit of a stretch for me.

Please forgive my ignorance, but what is PSG?

Janos Dracwlya said:

though the price is a bit of a stretch for me.

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I *could've* bought the Norinca at half the price but, for once, I chose to spend more but get the better product. I haven't regretted that decision.

Please forgive my ignorance, but what is PSG?

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Practical ShotGun. Like 3-gun but with just a shotgun.

Regards,

Mark.

P.S. Is there a "preview post" option on this forum? I can't seem to *see* one.

danez71 said:

Instead of clicking Post Reply, click More Options.... then the option to Preview will be available

One other tip, when you do that, the Post Reply button is now labeled Reply to Thread for some odd reason

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I tried the "More Options" button but no "Preview" button appeared. Until, that is, I disabled the NoScript add-on to FireFox... (NoScript turns off such things as JavaScript to increase security.)

Thanks for your reply.

Regards,

Mark.