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You guys ever go to a place you hunted or fished and haven't been there in awhile and its all changed? I have done this same thing this year and its crushed me for some reason. I used to hunt a couple remote areas of state and national forests and went back to hike and scout and low and behold everything has changed. roads, trails, houses, businesses, etc in places that were so remote there was no cell service for 30min down the road. I would never see another person for days while there hunting and camping and now its like a tourist attraction.

I recently found out land i used to roam as a kid out of state at my grandparents old farm has been developed and this was deep in the Appalachian mountains, no houses for miles and now the old house and barn are torn down and new built up and its getting worse. I haven't been there in many years but it still hurts to see things that once was mountains and blue sky for miles and wildlife to houses, buildings, roads, etc. I hate to say it guys but hunting, wildlife, conservation seems to be on the back burner.
 
Yep. Areas just outside Ft Campbell where people hunted in the early 90's are subdivisions and strip malls for 20 years or more now.
 
Yes. I see it. Not to that extent. But Google just bought something like 8 sections of land by where I live. They are putting in HUGE hubs. Prime hunting land that was once part of an ammunition plant and POW camp from WWI. It will all be gone in a couple years. Replaced by massive concrete buildings and substations. And the private lands around it will all be sold to build subdivisions to house all the employees. Thousands and thousands of acres of habitat destroyed. Never to be returned. But by god don't go hunting. You'll hurt the poor defenseless animals. Hypocritical morons.
 
Thankfully out here its a little harder to develop. Home (Molokai) still looks like home. Hell i havent lived there in 15 years, but the same folks (minus a few) are still sitting in the same places they were when i was a kid.

The area I lived is almost exactly the same. I told the story of shooting myself out of a tree in highschool, and i could probably find and take a picture of it when were home at the end of the month.

High cost and uppity locals are good for something i guess.
 
There is a Wildlife Management area just out side the Twin Cities I hunted often when I was young. Then, since it was public land and on the various map books of it sold in "sporting goods stores" a certain type of hunter discovered it. These hunters hunted in large groups and shot everything, everything, in front of them, in season or not. If caught, they claimed cultural ignorance, and not wanting to offend their community, the law gave them a slap on the wrist for things I would have lost the right to hunt for for years. Things have improved in the 30 years since then, but I still will not hunt public land because of this, not that it matters. One of them disobeyed "No Tresspassing" signs and shot witnesses thereof, on this side of the river.
 
BigBore44 said:
Thousands and thousands of acres of habitat destroyed. Never to be returned. But by god don't go hunting. You'll hurt the poor defenseless animals. Hypocritical morons.
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I've read of an example. Just do a quick search about Disneyworld and wetland destruction. It seems that building rollercoaster rides and parking lots in Bambi's home is just fine with Disney people. Just don't hunt Bambi or any of his little friends there.:(
 
BigBore44 said:
Yes. I see it. Not to that extent. But Google just bought something like 8 sections of land by where I live. They are putting in HUGE hubs. Prime hunting land that was once part of an ammunition plant and POW camp from WWI. It will all be gone in a couple years. Replaced by massive concrete buildings and substations. And the private lands around it will all be sold to build subdivisions to house all the employees. Thousands and thousands of acres of habitat destroyed. Never to be returned. But by god don't go hunting. You'll hurt the poor defenseless animals. Hypocritical morons.
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Near Muskogee?? That's insanity. I think it's fairly safe to say that where I live (Ardmore, Ok) will probably continue to become developed until it's a small city. It's growing rapidly and I enjoy the growth....but it's not cutting into the "remote". Yet. I'm thinking that the outlying areas will continue to be safe even throughout my kids' lives since there is a lot of oil lease lands and private lands. The one thing I DO hate that has been a recent addition is a band of wind turbines on top of the Arbuckle mountains. Such an eyesore. We can thank one family for signing off on that since I'm sure they're getting several tens of thousands of dollars a month for letting them lease their land.
 
I bought a few lots outside of Birmingham when I was in school. There were two other families down the dirt road plus mine. 45 years later I went by the area to look at the lots. I couldn't even find the main road to that area. The 6 building "town" that had the post office is gone with an interstate running through the spot where it had been. I knocked on doors asking anyone who would answer if they knew where my property or the road to it was. Finally, an old-timer drew me a map. My "rural'' lots were on a paved street with sewers, city water, cable, and garbage service.
 
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Near Muskogee??
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Kind of close. About 40 miles north of Muskogee. Chouteau/Pryor area. This is most of what they bought. But there's more. The building on the top left that I circled in red is 1/4 of a mile long.
 

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BigBore44 said:
Kind of close. About 40 miles north of Muskogee. Chouteau/Pryor area. This is most of what they bought. But there's more. The building on the top left that I circled in red is 1/4 of a mile long.
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That sucks for real....I guess it's cheaper for them to buy and build here than in California. Maybe my internet will be faster now lol
 
Patocazador said:
I bought a few lots outside of Birmingham when I was in school. There were two other families down the dirt road plus mine. 45 years later I went by the area to look at the lots. I couldn't even find the main road to that area. The 6 building "town" that had the post office is gone with an interstate running through the spot where it had been. I knocked on doors asking anyone who would answer if they knew where my property or the road to it was. Finally, an old-timer drew me a map. My "rural'' lots were on a paved street with sewers, city water, cable, and garbage service.
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Did they do these things on your property without your consent?
 
Patocazador said:
I bought a few lots outside of Birmingham when I was in school. There were two other families down the dirt road plus mine. 45 years later I went by the area to look at the lots. I couldn't even find the main road to that area. The 6 building "town" that had the post office is gone with an interstate running through the spot where it had been. I knocked on doors asking anyone who would answer if they knew where my property or the road to it was. Finally, an old-timer drew me a map. My "rural'' lots were on a paved street with sewers, city water, cable, and garbage service.
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It took you 45 years to look at the lots you bought?
 
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I bought a few lots outside of Birmingham when I was in school. There were two other families down the dirt road plus mine. 45 years later I went by the area to look at the lots. I couldn't even find the main road to that area. The 6 building "town" that had the post office is gone with an interstate running through the spot where it had been. I knocked on doors asking anyone who would answer if they knew where my property or the road to it was. Finally, an old-timer drew me a map. My "rural'' lots were on a paved street with sewers, city water, cable, and garbage service.
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jim in Anchorage said:
It took you 45 years to look at the lots you bought?
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Yeah, and were you paying taxes? They HAD to go up over 45 years with development.
 
The woods across the road from where I grew up got subdivided, I suppose after the old lady that owned it all passed away. But, I mean, I kinda expected it. I hunted those woods 50+ years ago. I've moved on. Nothing really to be bummed about. Weren't any big game in those woods, anyway, just squirrels and rabbits.
 
entropy said:
There is a Wildlife Management area just out side the Twin Cities I hunted often when I was young. Then, since it was public land and on the various map books of it sold in "sporting goods stores" a certain type of hunter discovered it. These hunters hunted in large groups and shot everything, everything, in front of them, in season or not. If caught, they claimed cultural ignorance, and not wanting to offend their community, the law gave them a slap on the wrist for things I would have lost the right to hunt for for years. Things have improved in the 30 years since then, but I still will not hunt public land because of this, not that it matters. One of them disobeyed "No Tresspassing" signs and shot witnesses thereof, on this side of the river.
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I'm guessing Hmong
 
Art Eatman said:
While I fully understand the feelings of all you guys, think about us poor Olde Pharts in our 80s and what we've lost from "the way it was" sixty or seventy years ago.
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At 69, I'm not all that far behind you Art. My first head of big game, a mule deer has been dead for well over a half century. And the largest mule deer I've ever killed was up a canyon maybe 10 miles from town (Pocatello) about 40 years ago. That canyon is now full of big, expensive houses on little 1 to 5 acre plots with "Private Property" and "No Trespassing" signs all over the place.
Times change, and in my experience, usually not for the better.:(
I guess many of us oldsters have some pretty darned good memories though. It's a shame, but I think the memories my grandchildren will accumulate in their lifetimes won't be anywhere near as swell as mine.
 
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