James Yeager's latest .40 sucks video.

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I've seen a few of his videos and I'm pretty sure a person would be well defended if they follow his philosophy. However, I also know some with personal combat experience that think the .40 is the best. I think this is a case where both can be right (as well as some other choices). I love .40 and have more confidence in bigger vs split times, but only my opinion, which is probably less informed than Yeager's, but I have faith in the mission survivors that I know who love .40.
 
I shoot 9mm, .40 S&W and .45ACP. I also shoot both striker-fired polymer-framed semi autos and 1911s. In the interest of full disclosure, I switched from the standard USAF issue S&W "Combat Masterpiece" in .38spl to the 1911 in .45ACP in 1968 and still regard the 1911 as my preferred defense pistol 49 years later.

While I treasure my Lightweight Colt Commander, the gun I carry most often is a Springfield XD sc with Trijicon HD night sights in .40 S&W. To me, the .40 S&W provides the best blend of penetration and terminal ballistics. Certainly, in colder months, multiple clothing layers may reduce the effectiveness of any JHP so I'd like a higher bullet weight and velocity combination than a 9mm and more certain penetration than .45ACP. That said, I'd feel well-equipped with a reliable pistol in any of these calibers. It also helps that, at 6'1", 240#, concealment of a full-size pistol is relatively easy with loose-fitting clothing. YMMV

Cheers,

Harry
 
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ATLDave said:
For those referencing Yeager's credentials as a "trainer": https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/...ructor-negligently-discharges-students-truck/
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i think im the only one that new he worked at tactical response, and i dont need to open a link to know he's ****. ive already openly said i dont like his schooling methodology. I also said, to be fair, I dont like very many civilian training schools. ND's happen everywhere. Not to me. But everywhere i go...theres that guy. I've seen it on sheriff dept designated range. NRA thingys, people messing around in their house, peeps trying to draw and shoot faster than they know how....and the military especially. In the interest of fairness...
 
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And here is the reason I like it, although I have 9mm plenty...now. When the crazy hoarding started, I was carrying daily a Glock 23. While there was little if any 9mm at Walmart or over priced at my LGS, I found .40 about anywhere I went at it's regular price. While my friends winced every time they shot some for practice, because they would have to try to replace it, I just went about my normal routine. Now, yes I shoot 9mm a lot because it's cheap right now. But I learned my lesson a couple of years ago.
 
Klint Beastwood said:
i think im the only one that new he worked at tactical response, and i dont need to open a link to know he's ****. ive already openly said i dont like his schooling methodology. I also said, to be fair, I dont like very many civilian training schools. ND's happen everywhere. Not to me. But everywhere i go...theres that guy. I've seen it on sheriff dept designated range. NRA thingys, people messing around in their house, peeps trying to draw and shoot faster than they know how....and the military especially. In the interest of fairness...
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Most ND's are because of carelessness. This ND was because of intentional stupidity. May want to read the link from earlier.
 
CraigC "Exactly! I have two Walmarts 15mins in either direction and rarely buy ammo there, or go there at all for that matter. Buying guns strictly according to Walmart's ammo selection has to be the lowest common denominator among shooters"

That's a little extreme, I buy where it's cheapest, and I can't afford to buy 1000's of rounds and pay shipping to my door. I buy where it is cheapest. But then again I think it's smart, not lowest common denominator, to not spend more than is necessary. I buy more stuff that way. And you do realize more rural folks have Walmart closer to them than a big sporting goods store or a Gun Store. Most around here buy our hunting and shooting supplies there. They cater to the rural crowd here.
 
Yeager is one of the biggest fools on Youtube out there, at least that's what I thought the last time I watched one of his videos a few years ago. His assumptions are based on poor or no data, and his personal preferences alone. His ego and clear overcompensation for a lack of intelligence is laughable.

I will never understand why some folks feel the need to try and convince others that their way is the only way. There are so many 40 cals out there that to make a statement that the cartridge will go away anytime soon is idiotic. All cartridges have dips in their popularity at some point.

Based on the prices available, it's really a great time to but a 40 S&W. I'm not in the market, but I could see buying one for a rainy day.
 
Saddlebag Preacher said:
CraigC "Exactly! I have two Walmarts 15mins in either direction and rarely buy ammo there, or go there at all for that matter. Buying guns strictly according to Walmart's ammo selection has to be the lowest common denominator among shooters"

That's a little extreme, I buy where it's cheapest, and I can't afford to buy 1000's of rounds and pay shipping to my door. I buy where it is cheapest. But then again I think it's smart, not lowest common denominator, to not spend more than is necessary. I buy more stuff that way. And you do realize more rural folks have Walmart closer to them than a big sporting goods store or a Gun Store. Most around here buy our hunting and shooting supplies there. They cater to the rural crowd here.
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I live adjacent to a corn field. I know all about "rural folks", I is one. I also know that UPS and FedEx come right to my door. I don't waste money either and often driving to Walmart, standing around for half an hour waiting for a clerk to buy ammo with 9.75% sales tax is not the most economical. Right now I can order 1000rds of 9mm for $17 less than it costs to drive to Walmart and buy it, IF they have it.

All I'm saying is that if you ONLY buy guns that you can feed from Walmart's shelves, for that reason alone, you are probably not much of a shooter.
 
JTQ said:
The .38 Super is the same length as .45 Auto, and is therefore longer than .40S&W and requires a larger framed gun like a 1911, G20, G21, P220, etc., while the .40S&W can fit in guns designed for the 9mm.

The .357 SIG will fit in 9mm sized guns, but I don't know enough about competition rules to know if .357 SIG makes major.
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the 357 sig is a 40 s&w in 38 caliber. no benefit over the 40 s&w even if it will make major. the 38 super would fit in a small frame gun if there was a demand for it.

thanks for the response. it got me thinking.

murf
 
murf said:
the 38 super would fit in a small frame gun if there was a demand for it.
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I don't know what you mean by "small frame," but the max cartridge length of a .38 super is a touch LONGER than a .45ACP. It's longer than a 10mm.

38 super will not fit in the same size gun frame as a 9mm or 40 or 357 SIG. "Demand" has nothing to do with it.
 
ATLDave said:
I don't know what you mean by "small frame," but the max cartridge length of a .38 super is a touch LONGER than a .45ACP. It's longer than a 10mm.

38 super will not fit in the same size gun frame as a 9mm or 40 or 357 SIG. "Demand" has nothing to do with it.
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjkpKi6j5TWAhUQw2MKHZ4oB4gQjRwIBw&url=https://medium.com/@laxammo/brief-history-of-the-38-super-auto-b12b8af0bdb0&psig=AFQjCNGiaWDYwsegJMXiT89dhBtCpqgPbg&ust=1504909538726975

it doesn't look much longer than the 357 sig. maybe no one has tried to stuff a 38 super into a 9mm size frame, yet. longer than a 10mm? i'll check the drawings and edit my post.

murf

p.s. case lengths (per saami drawings): 9mm luger - .754", 40 s&w - .850", 357 sig - .865", 38 super automatic - .900", 10mm auto - .992". too long? maybe. certainly not too big around.
 
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murf, looking at case lengths is irrelevant. You want to look at overall length, unless you plan to design a gun that only feeds wadcutters!

If you start looking around, you will see that the guns that can handle 38 super are generally the same frames or basic types that can also handle 45 and even 10mm - such as 1911's, 2011's, Tanfoglio large frames, etc. You cannot cram a 38 super into a Glock 19 by reaming the barrel to a 38 super... they won't fit in the magazine.
 
Wakadoodle, plain and simple. The 40 shall remain. I admit after my glock 22 was stolen years ago in a burglary I didn't go buy another. Responsibility had me carrying my antiquated charter arms undercover. It did me fine until I could afford to put money away for a new combat pistol. I opted for 9mm mostly for financial reasons. I can afford off the shelf ammo for it. I bought all the hype about 9mm being a horrible caliber. Mostly carried a 45 till I got the 40. The 38 was always a bug. Till it wasn't. I started looking at ballistics and if 38 was good enough 9mm should be better. My son has a 40 now because bacon. He loves to pig gun and 14-15 rounds of 40 is more comforting if your primary jams. I'm sure he will swap it out one day but for now he is in for the Beretta Storm. I don't see the cartridge going away.
 
ATLDave said:
murf, looking at case lengths is irrelevant. You want to look at overall length, unless you plan to design a gun that only feeds wadcutters!

If you start looking around, you will see that the guns that can handle 38 super are generally the same frames or basic types that can also handle 45 and even 10mm - such as 1911's, 2011's, Tanfoglio large frames, etc. You cannot cram a 38 super into a Glock 19 by reaming the barrel to a 38 super... they won't fit in the magazine.
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col for the 357 sig and the 38 super is 1.140" and 1.220" respectively. the 10mm col is 1.240" for comparison. the manufacturer would have to lengthen the frame (longer mag well) for this to work. i don't think this would be cost effective considering the lack of demand.

so, i don't see glock adding 38 super to their line any time soon.

murf
 
murf said:
the 357 sig is a 40 s&w in 38 caliber.
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Yes it is. It was designed to get .357 Mag (or .38 Super) power, in a smaller framed gun.

the 38 super would fit in a small frame gun if there was a demand for it.
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The .38 Super would not fit in a small frame (9mm size) gun. You need a .45 Auto sized auto loader to shoot .38 Super. Look at all the guns chambered in .38 Super, 1911's, SIG P220 (not P226 or P229), Tanfoglio/EAA Witness, etc. They are all large frame autos. Demand has nothing to do with it. The round is too long to fit in a gun designed for 9mm/.357 SIG/.40S&W.
 
JTQ said:
I don't either, but if they did, they'd need to put it in their G20/G21 framed guns and not the G17/G22 framed guns.
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or make the small frame gun a little longer.

we will have to agree to disagree about enough demand.

murf
 
^ I won't bother then. hickok45 keeps me entertained enough anyways.
 
CDW4ME said:
I like 40 and 45.
These are chrono averages from my pistols:
Glock 23:
Remington Golden Saber 165 gr. @ 1,048 fps / 402# KE
Federal HST 180 gr. @ 1003 fps / 402# KE
Winchester Ranger T 165 @ 1,146 fps / 481# KE
Glock 30SF
Federal Hydra-Shok 230 gr. @ 811 fps / 336# KE
Winchester Ranger T 230 gr. @ 903 fps /417# KE
Remington Golden Saber 185 +P @ 1,008 fps / 418# KE
The 23 has a slightly longer barrel, but only about 1/4 inch, so it's fairly close.
180 gr. @ 1003 fps = .80 momentum
230 gr. @ 903 fps = .92 momentum
45 acp having 13% more momentum is right on in this example.
However, even with 45 +P the difference in KE is not much.
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First I will say, like i said, there's more to it, bullet type and what length barrel will have differences. they cannot really be compared in the real world as they do in the lab like results. We can all agree that shot placement is more important to the 9mm/40 cal/45 acp.
Now to counter the point: the .45 has a bigger cross section then the rest. for the size of a 9mm in its relative cross section it still has good tissue damage and ke that it puts on the target...for its size. Like i said, bullet profile matters, but i dont want to compare a 140 gr .40 to a 185gr +p .45, i want to compare the moment. The extra moment with utilize the ke being produced more by how it transfers, since the moment isn't transferred back into the bullet..like a bouncy ball, but rather into the body. even if the momentum did transfer back to the bullet, it would just expand more, allowing the larger cross section to mushroom larger, now spreading ke, and enlarging the over all wound track.
momentum also consequently is also why .45s have more penetration. since ke is not a realistically conserved, you obviously lose that energy when things collide. momentum is conserved so it will have either a positive or negative effect, dumping energy more efficiently or giving better penetration or both...depending or terminal factors related to the target. which is the issue with these arguments is that people only look at the lab results of these debates...what bones do...that fact that skin is tougher to penetrate then three layers of muscle...hence why a lot of bullets are bulged and stop in the back of skin when they decelerate. Bones, skin and muscle slow down the bullet, and reduce the effect of KE. That 13% more moment will help the remaining energy if we are splitting hairs as the KE dissipates and cause that temp cavity to stretch more in the right places. Either way that wont be enough for a one shot kill, they will all require more than one shot usually...again depending on shot placement.
 
murf said:
or make the small frame gun a little longer.

murf
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Then it wouldn't be a small framed gun.
murf wrote,
...it and the 38 super are the only commercial cartridges (as far as i know) that will make major and that can be chambered in a small framed gun.
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Just say, "oops, I misspoke here. The .38 Super is too long to fit in 9mm sized guns," and be done with it.
 
Klint Beastwood said:
i think im the only one that new he worked at tactical response
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No, you're not. There were multiple threads about "The down range photographer" when it happened. There were also threads about the idiot (not Yeager BTW) who kicked the gun across across the parking lot and got it to "go off".

He did do a video on human reaction time that I liked.
 
Trunk Monkey said:
No, you're not. There were multiple threads about "The down range photographer" when it happened. There were also threads about the idiot (not Yeager BTW) who kicked the gun across across the parking lot and got it to "go off".

He did do a video on human reaction time that I liked.
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in relation to this thread. Whatever. its not like i felt special knowing that info. Also i missed those threads.
 
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