MachIVshooter
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Want to get more feedback from this community, as I'm moving forward with other cans in addition to the Phoenix XLV.
I have 5 that are blueprinted, prototyped, tested and ready to go. The 6th, the Phoenix IX, is a 9mm variant of the Phoenix XLV. I prototyped a 1.375 x 7" version, and it worked well, but I want to see if a 1.25" x 7" or 7.5" version is feasible before I launch it. After all, slimmer is better, and a 1.25" OD would make the factory sights on most pistols totally usable. 1.375" isn't bad with factory sights, but if I can make it slimmer...
Anyway, this is where we're at
From left to right:
1: The Valkyrie 30. This is a titanium housed 1.5" x 8.0" suppressor with a heat treated 17-4 stainless steel fully welded baffle stack, consisting of 10 baffles preceeded by a large blast chamber. Weight is 15.5 ounces, and the taper lock brake for that version weighs 3 ounces. The taper lock brake uses a 20° included angle and 1"-12 TPI threads, so the suppressor is seated in just 6 revolutions, and locks up tight & consistent. I will offer a direct thread option, which will be a bit less expensive. I don't have dB levels for you guys yet, but my ears were fine outdoors on both 13" .308 and 10.5" .223. There is a .223 caliber version, the Valkyrie 224, that is 1.5" x 7.5" with 9 baffles, and about an ounce lighter. Same option for taper lock brake or direct thread. These are the heavy duty critters, full auto rated, and up to and including .300 RUM on the .30 cal. Minimum barrel lengths are 7.5" for .223, 13" for .308, 16" for .30-06 and 18" for magnums, 20" for RUM or others burning 85-100 grains of powder
One taper lock brake is included, MSRP $949. Direct thread MSRP $829. Additional brakes will be $120 each.
Again, don't have a $4k dB meter yet, but the taper lock brake version seems quieter. Notice the brakes in the background; they have a helixed port design to create a vortex in the blast chamber.
2: The Furtivus 30. Also titanium housed, it's 1.5" x 9.0" with the same style fusion TIG welded 17-4 stainless baffle stack, but 11 of them. It weighs 15 ounces, and has the same taper lock brake or direct thread option. Furtivus 224 is 1.5" x 8.0" with 10 baffles, weighs 14 ounces. These are rapid fire rated and magnum rated. I have tested on machine guns, and they held up, but the thinner housings and baffle cones versus the Valkyrie series leave me hesitant to call them full auto rated, lest somebody cook one on a machine gun. They're a little lighter and a little quieter, but not as tough. No free lunch in this game! Minimum barrel lengths are 10" for .223, 15" for .308, 16" for .30-06, 18" for magnums, 22" for RUM or others burning 85-100 grains of powder.
One taper lock brake is included, MSRP $949. Direct thread MSRP $829. Additional brakes will be $120 each.
3: The Furtivus 224, mentioned above.
4: Phoenix XLV, the .45 caliber titanium housed critter with 17-4 stainless and 7075-T651 guts I posted about a couple weeks back. At 10.5 ounces with piston, these are basically in the weight and suppression class of the SilencerCo Osprey, but an inch shorter and a little tougher. User serviceable stacked cone baffles, one 17-4 blast baffle and seven 7075-T651 baffles. Rated for all service type pistol cartridges, including 10mm and .357 magnum, plus subsonic .300 Blk. Direct thread mounts will be available for fixed barrel use.
They will come with one piston or direct thread mount, MSRP $639. Additional pistons will be $80, direct thread mounts will be $60.
5: That is the prototype Phoenix IX, a hybrid cone & K-baffle serviceable 9mm suppressor. The one in the photo is dimensionally identical to the XLV, except 9.8 ounces with the aluminum end cap. If I'm able to make the 1.25" diameter version work, it should still be under 10 ounces with a stainless end cap. I expect to price it the same as the XLV at $639
6: The Ocelot. This is a serviceable stacked baffle rimfire can with a titanium housing, stainless blast baffle and nine stubby 7075 cone baffles, weighing in at 4.0 ounces and measuring 5.5 inches. The end cap is also aluminum, stainless for the threaded base, which are 1/2-28. Rated for all rimfire cartridges, pistol or rifle
MSRP $319.
7: The featherweight. The Lynx is a 5.2" long, 2.9 ounce 7075 aluminum monocore suppressor with a .023" titanium sleeve. It has a steel insert for 1/2-28 direct thread mounting. Though I would say .22 WMR and .17 HMR are OK on rifles with >18" barrels, I'm going to go ahead and call this a .22 LR only suppressor. I'm not aware of any that are lighter
MSRP $349
All of these will have the option of Cerkote in Graphite Black, Sniper Grey or Desert Tan at no additional cost. Other colors may incur charges. Pistol and rimfire cans get the tougher oven cure Cerakote. Due to the higher temperatures rifle suppressors see, they have to be done with air cure Cerakote.
My packaging is fairly basic, but clean, and each will include a manual. Rifle cans aren't really serviceable with the welded cores, but will include a wrench for the core. Phoenix cans include a double-ended wrench for the end cap and piston housing, and an acetyl rod for driving the baffle stack out. I haven't patterned out a tool for the rimfire cans, as they can be taken down with a 15/16" or 24mm 12 point wrench or socket, assuming you're unable to unscrew them by hand.
They'll all carry a lifetime warranty against defects or failure from normal, approved use. Of course, baffle strikes, overheating failures or other abuse will result in repair costs. I'm setting the temperature ceiling for the rifle cans at 900° F, the pistol and rimfire critters at 600° F. These are the temperatures at which the respective materials start to suffer.
I'm trying to build as many of these as I can to stock, but materials aren't cheap, and every single one is hand made on manual machines, so it takes awhile. Hopefully I'll be able to swing CNC in the not-too-distant future, but I'm a working class guy!
Let me know what ya'll think!
I have 5 that are blueprinted, prototyped, tested and ready to go. The 6th, the Phoenix IX, is a 9mm variant of the Phoenix XLV. I prototyped a 1.375 x 7" version, and it worked well, but I want to see if a 1.25" x 7" or 7.5" version is feasible before I launch it. After all, slimmer is better, and a 1.25" OD would make the factory sights on most pistols totally usable. 1.375" isn't bad with factory sights, but if I can make it slimmer...
Anyway, this is where we're at
From left to right:
1: The Valkyrie 30. This is a titanium housed 1.5" x 8.0" suppressor with a heat treated 17-4 stainless steel fully welded baffle stack, consisting of 10 baffles preceeded by a large blast chamber. Weight is 15.5 ounces, and the taper lock brake for that version weighs 3 ounces. The taper lock brake uses a 20° included angle and 1"-12 TPI threads, so the suppressor is seated in just 6 revolutions, and locks up tight & consistent. I will offer a direct thread option, which will be a bit less expensive. I don't have dB levels for you guys yet, but my ears were fine outdoors on both 13" .308 and 10.5" .223. There is a .223 caliber version, the Valkyrie 224, that is 1.5" x 7.5" with 9 baffles, and about an ounce lighter. Same option for taper lock brake or direct thread. These are the heavy duty critters, full auto rated, and up to and including .300 RUM on the .30 cal. Minimum barrel lengths are 7.5" for .223, 13" for .308, 16" for .30-06 and 18" for magnums, 20" for RUM or others burning 85-100 grains of powder
One taper lock brake is included, MSRP $949. Direct thread MSRP $829. Additional brakes will be $120 each.
Again, don't have a $4k dB meter yet, but the taper lock brake version seems quieter. Notice the brakes in the background; they have a helixed port design to create a vortex in the blast chamber.
2: The Furtivus 30. Also titanium housed, it's 1.5" x 9.0" with the same style fusion TIG welded 17-4 stainless baffle stack, but 11 of them. It weighs 15 ounces, and has the same taper lock brake or direct thread option. Furtivus 224 is 1.5" x 8.0" with 10 baffles, weighs 14 ounces. These are rapid fire rated and magnum rated. I have tested on machine guns, and they held up, but the thinner housings and baffle cones versus the Valkyrie series leave me hesitant to call them full auto rated, lest somebody cook one on a machine gun. They're a little lighter and a little quieter, but not as tough. No free lunch in this game! Minimum barrel lengths are 10" for .223, 15" for .308, 16" for .30-06, 18" for magnums, 22" for RUM or others burning 85-100 grains of powder.
One taper lock brake is included, MSRP $949. Direct thread MSRP $829. Additional brakes will be $120 each.
3: The Furtivus 224, mentioned above.
4: Phoenix XLV, the .45 caliber titanium housed critter with 17-4 stainless and 7075-T651 guts I posted about a couple weeks back. At 10.5 ounces with piston, these are basically in the weight and suppression class of the SilencerCo Osprey, but an inch shorter and a little tougher. User serviceable stacked cone baffles, one 17-4 blast baffle and seven 7075-T651 baffles. Rated for all service type pistol cartridges, including 10mm and .357 magnum, plus subsonic .300 Blk. Direct thread mounts will be available for fixed barrel use.
They will come with one piston or direct thread mount, MSRP $639. Additional pistons will be $80, direct thread mounts will be $60.
5: That is the prototype Phoenix IX, a hybrid cone & K-baffle serviceable 9mm suppressor. The one in the photo is dimensionally identical to the XLV, except 9.8 ounces with the aluminum end cap. If I'm able to make the 1.25" diameter version work, it should still be under 10 ounces with a stainless end cap. I expect to price it the same as the XLV at $639
6: The Ocelot. This is a serviceable stacked baffle rimfire can with a titanium housing, stainless blast baffle and nine stubby 7075 cone baffles, weighing in at 4.0 ounces and measuring 5.5 inches. The end cap is also aluminum, stainless for the threaded base, which are 1/2-28. Rated for all rimfire cartridges, pistol or rifle
MSRP $319.
7: The featherweight. The Lynx is a 5.2" long, 2.9 ounce 7075 aluminum monocore suppressor with a .023" titanium sleeve. It has a steel insert for 1/2-28 direct thread mounting. Though I would say .22 WMR and .17 HMR are OK on rifles with >18" barrels, I'm going to go ahead and call this a .22 LR only suppressor. I'm not aware of any that are lighter
MSRP $349
All of these will have the option of Cerkote in Graphite Black, Sniper Grey or Desert Tan at no additional cost. Other colors may incur charges. Pistol and rimfire cans get the tougher oven cure Cerakote. Due to the higher temperatures rifle suppressors see, they have to be done with air cure Cerakote.
My packaging is fairly basic, but clean, and each will include a manual. Rifle cans aren't really serviceable with the welded cores, but will include a wrench for the core. Phoenix cans include a double-ended wrench for the end cap and piston housing, and an acetyl rod for driving the baffle stack out. I haven't patterned out a tool for the rimfire cans, as they can be taken down with a 15/16" or 24mm 12 point wrench or socket, assuming you're unable to unscrew them by hand.
They'll all carry a lifetime warranty against defects or failure from normal, approved use. Of course, baffle strikes, overheating failures or other abuse will result in repair costs. I'm setting the temperature ceiling for the rifle cans at 900° F, the pistol and rimfire critters at 600° F. These are the temperatures at which the respective materials start to suffer.
I'm trying to build as many of these as I can to stock, but materials aren't cheap, and every single one is hand made on manual machines, so it takes awhile. Hopefully I'll be able to swing CNC in the not-too-distant future, but I'm a working class guy!
Let me know what ya'll think!
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