.44 Mag Lever Action: Felt Recoil

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I'm hoping someone can give me some recoil comparisions for a .44 Mag lever carbine, to help me figure out if my wife could comfortable handle one. I can always use reduced loads I suppose, but I'm interested.

Comparisions with a 12ga pump shotgun, Mini 14 (or other 5.56 semi-auto), .30-06 bolt action, or .45-70 lever action would be the most helpful as those are guns I own/have owned.
 
For numbers, look here:

Rifle Recoil Table
https://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

My Marlin M1894 had a hard plastic buttplate, and it hurt to shoot full power loads. No joke, a full house 44 Mag in a rifle kicks. The only finger in the lever, is the trigger finger, as recoil will bruise the other four fingers if they are inside that loop. I bought a fixture, ground a hard rubber butt pad, and installed it. Even though the recoil did not go away, that rubber butt pad made shooting the thing tolerable. Hard to say it is any worse than a 30-30.

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Not bad if she can shot most center fire rifles. When hunting u dont feel it anyway. For sighting in u can make a standing shoting bench. Or just use a fence post with a bag. Most will say the cheap winchester white box is all u need for deer. They dont kick much.
 
http://www.shooterscalculator.com/recoil-calculator.php

The above calculator will let you calculate the recoil impulse, free recoil velocity and free recoil energy of various firearms. Free recoil energy is probably the best comparison for comparing the recoil in two different cartridges and weapons as it take into account the recoil impulse of the cartridge and the weight of the firearm that is firing it.
 
... Most will say the cheap winchester white box is all u need for deer. They dont kick much. ...
My 1983-mfr (that I bought, used, about 5 years later) Marlin 1894S (looks just like the one in Slamfire's pic) and my 3" 629 bought new at about the same time have, together, gone thru ~1000 rounds of .44mag ammo, most of it 240gr JHP generic white-box & American Eagle ...

... and the recoil is stiff. Stiff enough that you want to be very careful to not become complacent and squeeze off a round without having the buttstock properly snugged-up. And even if done right, there are some folks who will be bruised. :)
 
I have to say I was surprised. My buddy has a Rossi R92 and recoil was pretty stiff. Tolerable for off handed shooting but you know it's there for sure.

It seemed like a light single shot 20ga or a heavier auto 12ga to me.
 
I have a Winchester M94 Ranger in 44 Mag and a Marlin 336 in 30-30. I find the 30-30 has much more recoil. 44 Mag doesn't really bother me at all.


I have a Browning 1892 in .44 magnum and a 1894 Winchester in .30-30. I got the 94 first, and when I got the Browning, I was surprised at the power of the recoil, given that it was a .... "pistol" round. I'd be hard pressed to decide which I thought had nastier recoil.

With regards the OP's wife and rifle recoil, if he could borrow a .44 rifle and allow her to try it, would that be possible?
 
The typical 240grn load in a Marlin 1894 won’t be too terribly different than the typical 150-165grn load in a sporter weight 30-06 bolt gun. A deeper boom and a little longer, harder shove, but overall, very similar.

Naturally, the less powerful 44mag will recoil less than a .45-70, even considering the extra weight of the 1895/336 action over the 1894.

Your 12ga will shove you more, with the 44mag feeling sharper. My shotguns all have proper recoil pads, whereas my 1894’s have much thinner rubber pads - almost just rubberized buttplates. Occasionally a high volume day with the 12ga will surprise me the next morning with bruises on my shoulder, like the recoil impacts hid somewhere then snuck up on me that night while I slept - with the 44mag and full house loads, it’s never a surprise, the recoil becomes readily apparent during the range session, much more so than with a 12ga.
 
180 gr loads in my marlin 44 mag hardly recoil at all. Much less recoil than a 30-30 170gr from my marlin or winchester. The recoil is a lot like shooting a mossberg 500 in 410.

Proper stock fitment and a good recoil pad will help to tame any real heavy 44 loads but most of those loads wont cycle in most lever guns without modification anyway.

I am quite surprised to read all these responses here about how heavy the perceived recoil is from a 44 lever gun. It hasn't been my experience at all.
 
I think the very wide range of weight various 44 Mag carbines come in is probably why there is so much difference in people's perceptions.

A Rossi M92 16 inch carbine only weighs ~4.8 lbs where a Rossie Big Boy Classic weights ~8.6 lbs.

If we assume the same load in both guns you experience 80% more free recoil energy in the lighter gun.

Neither the steel or brass butt plate on those two is going to do much so soften that recoil either. A rubber butt pad or even a slip on or worn recoil pad would help a lot with perceived recoil. Recoil pad don't reduce the total recoil impulse but they sure spread that impulse out over time and that take some of the bite out of the recoil.
 
First time I shot my Marlin 1894S, I was shocked at how soft it recoiled. Significantly less so than a .30-30. So despite the numbers, it's obvious that we will all experience it differently.

See, that's the thing. I could hardly tell the difference, to you the .44 was much softer than the .30-30. Not only is recoil a subjective thing, but when we fire different guns at different times, our memory of how the 1st gun recoiled might not be so accurate any longer.
I wonder if I were to take both my .30-30 and .44 to the range and shot them at one sitting, if my impression would firm up .... or not.
However, the OP should know despite this subjectivity that a .44 magnum lever gun is ..... "authoritative." I wouldn't want to scare her off prematurely, however, if she thinks it a light touch and isn't prepared, that too could turn her against the longarm.
 
My Marlin 30-30 has a hard buttplate and a 13.5" LOP, so I was not able to fully seat the rifle into my shoulder. I tried the Pachmayr slip on recoil pad and the LOP is now 14.25" this made all the difference.
 
Whats the goal for the gun? A plinker or for deer hunting in a straight wall case state?

If your buying ammo and just plinking I would get a 357. It will be alot more pleasant for her to shoot and you'll be able to use factory 357 ammo vs having to try to find 44 special. As others have said a good cushy recoil pad really makes a big difference with the thumpers. If its a hunting gun and she has a tolerance for that level of recoil then I would get the 44 magnum and put a limbsaver recoil pad on it. I would have more faith in it as a deer gun, but only if its not going to beat up the shooter.
 
Everybody is different it terms of what recoil is comfortable for them. Me and my brothers and sister were all shooting 12 gauges when we were 10. Dad taught us how to hold it so it wouldn't hurt and we were fine. Some people have a sensitivity to recoil and thats fine too.

Has she done much shooting to have a point of comparison of what she is comfortable with?
 
@someguy2800 , I reload so whilst .357 is still slightly cheaper, .44 is not in any way prohibitive.

We don't hunt. I understand why many do, but it's not our thing (so far). The rifle would be partly a fun gun for me, but a camp gun for us both. I have a .45-70, and although she'd use it if she had to, if she won't practice with it (and she won't because it's far more than she's comfortable with) or at least practice with a lever action, she probably won't use it effectively. We also have a 4 year plan (long way off, I know) to leave Colorado and move to some acreage in Montana, where we both would like an easy to carry, handy house/property longarm for general protection.

She's not done much shooting with rifles or shotguns, and we need to do more. But she's done enough that I know my .45-70 is not an option for her. She really enjoys the Mini 14, and was fine with birdshot and buckshot out of my Mossberg 590, but refused to shoot more than three 3" slugs from a Benelli Nova pump (18.5" barrel). The Mossberg is quite heavy and not something she can manuver well at all (she does the lean-back with fully outstretched support arm), so I don't think it's the right option. Slugs in a lighter weight shotgun seem very much like more than she'd be willing to practice with. And I'd be glad of more effective range than buckshot can offer.

So the pistol cartridge lever carbine seemed like a good option for a number of reasons.

- Easy to reload for.
- Light and handy.
- Simple to operate.
- Effective to around 100 yards.

It may be effective to longer or shorter ranges depending on the combination of caliber and target, but I can't see needing to use it on anything farther out than that. And a 50 yard max seems more realistic. But of course she needs to practice with it to be effective, and for that it must be mild enough. I suppose I could work up a lighter practice load in .44 mag for her to practice with. I'm somewhat reluctant to go as small as .357 because we camp in black bear and moose territory, will be taking some trips to camp in grizzly territory, and when we move to MT, will very likely be living where all these animals are present.

Edited to say: Neither of us are particularly fearful of wildlife, in fact a large part of the reason we like spending time in the wilderness is to see that wildlife. But we do have a healthy respect for their ability to hurt or kill us, and understand that it is a possibility. And one we like to be prepared for.
 
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