JR24
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Sure. That must be why almost every well known firearms trainer with combat experience carries 9mm. They're just trying to "justify their choice of caliber".
It's a conspiracy!
Sure. That must be why almost every well known firearms trainer with combat experience carries 9mm. They're just trying to "justify their choice of caliber".
It must be. It's almost universal too. All the companies that make 9mm bullets must be paying them all off!It's a conspiracy!
Sure. That must be why almost every well known firearms trainer with combat experience carries 9mm. They're just trying to "justify their choice of caliber".
Yes, you are guessing.And I'm guessing those 40s won't be around very long.
The darn goodest reason there is more than one caliber available is that folks can't agree on what is best. Classic case of chicken or egg.Because they're promoting what they know their students will excel with, the quickest. 9mm is the easiest way forward, except for people that do best with 1911's. Lead by example. And still the cheapest training ammo to shoot.
They aren't going to tell you that 9mm outperforms .40 in tissue or gell. Or that 9mm will outperform .357sig around cars. Because that's nonsense.
And many are still going to pick a .45 1911 for any offensive missions. But they aren't going to flaunt that during a defensive pistol class.
Ya'll need to get over the fact that there is more than one caliber available for darn good reasons.
Yes, you are guessing.
Hide?Hide and watch!
Your friends must be "old timers." Resistance to change is a powerful thing. To some people, more powerful than actual performance.
All of the younger soldiers that I know today are well satisfied with both the 5.56 and the 9MM.
Some do. At least enough experience to know that there is little value in lugging around a big heavy M-14 with only 100 rounds of big heavy ammo in the heat of the day when an M-4 is every bit as effective.
People who shoot at targets carry 40s and 45s. People who shoot at people carry 9mms.
Sometimes these topics remind me of NASCAR fans arguing. They all love cars, own cars, and drive faster then the should, but more then 90% of them have never been in a real race.Do, it has been 6 pages now. Is anyone's mind changed?
I didn't think so.
Then why was the DMR implemented, and why is the DoD ditching the 5.56 round?
As for ammo and rifle wt. only humped, lighter is always better.
It's when you actually need it to save your life that you miss the extra wt.
GR
Do, it has been 6 pages now. Is anyone's mind changed?
I didn't think so.
...Lighter is also better when it allows you to carry more. Sometimes bigger and more powerful ammunition is nice to have. But maybe one day you'd also miss the lighter ammunition that you'd still have a couple magazines left of over the heavier ammunition you just ran out of...
I'm still looking for a story about a private citizen acting in self-defense ever needing to reload, but even one story wouldn't indicate a need.Lighter is also better when it allows you to carry more.
That's just how Grumpy Old Men Are.The thing I don't understand is why some people get so bent out of shape if others disagree with them. I made my choices about defensive calibers for handguns a long time ago. I consider 9mm the minimum caliber for personal defense with a handgun. I do own a couple of 9mm's & have carried them. I prefer .40 for carry as long as it a compact or full sized gun. I just don't like the idea of shooting .40 out of a subcompact pistol. I do believe .40 does a better job of penetration than 9mm. I am okay with giving up 2 rounds of capacity for what I believe to be a slightly better cartridge. I also own a .45 though I seldom carry it. About the only time I carry my .45 or .357 is if I'm going to the woods.
So why is it a big deal to someone else if I choose to shoot & carry .40 ,45 or 9mm. I understand the folks who have said what they carry & why they carry it & leave it at that. What I fail to understand is why people feel the need to argue that they are right & those who disagree are wrong because they choose to use a different cartridge. It doesn't really make sense.