More than a million new high-capacity ammunition magazines flooded into California during lifted ban

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Bump that up a couple digits. I still have people in Cali. Everyone I know went on a buying spree.

Not that they haven't just been going to Nevada and Arizona and having stuff sent there through this system of delivery called the mail and UPS/Fed Ex anyway. This just meant they could do it all at once.
 
Things like this create irreversible "facts on the ground." The judge had to be aware of that.

Those contemplating a national AWB also have to be aware of "facts on the ground."
 
California and other states try to make the argument that large capacity magazines, AR style firearms etc... are "not in common use" and therefore not subject to 2A protection. Any fact to the contrary undermines that argument and kicks out a leg in their arguments to ban or regulate them.

EDIT: This would be funny if it weren't used against us. California passes laws to ban something, then argues that they are rare and can therefore be banned.

From the judgement:
"To the extent that magazines holding more than 10 rounds may be less common
within California, it would likely be the result of the State long criminalizing the buying,
selling, importing, and manufacturing of these magazines. Saying that large capacity
magazines are uncommon because they have been banned for so long is something of a
tautology. It cannot be used as constitutional support for further banning. See Friedman
v. City of Highland Park, Illinois, 784 F.3d 406, 409 (7th Cir. 2015) (“Yet it would be
absurd to say that the reason why a particular weapon can be banned is that there is a
statute banning it, so that it isn’t commonly used. A law’s existence can’t be the source
of its own constitutional validity.”)."
 
From the article: "Staff attorneys with the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence in San Francisco said they've seen no evidence to back up the million-magazine estimate, and said gun rights organizations have a vested interest in inflating the number of law-abiding owners.

'They have a very specific purpose and intent here to try to set up for the court that these are devices that are very commonly used and possessed' and therefore should not be banned again, said California legislative affairs director Ari Freilich.

'It lets them argue that there's no way to un-ring the bell,' added litigation director Hannah Shearer.
"

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I'd say a million is on the light side. Reports were that Brownells alone shipped more than 400,000.
I've heard that number, haven't seen that verified.

When you figure in Brownells, Midway, PSA and Magpul (most orders were apparently for GenII PMags) and all the companies large and small in addition to cleaning out stores in neighboring AZ and NV the number has to be pretty big.

Unless those companies start releasing that info there's no way to verify it though. And honestly that's the awesome part, I don't *WANT* the state of California to be able to track those purchases.
 
See Friedman
v. City of Highland Park, Illinois, 784 F.3d 406, 409 (7th Cir. 2015) (“Yet it would be
absurd to say that the reason why a particular weapon can be banned is that there is a
statute banning it, so that it isn’t commonly used. A law’s existence can’t be the source
of its own constitutional validity.”)
This applies even more to challenges to the NFA, but no one seems to want to go there.
 
I bet there were a lot of folks in CA ordering PMAG's by the crate.

Heck, I know a lot of people here in GA that have them in those quantities as a hedge against future bans and/or speculative investments for the next banic.
 
Are backorders legal to ship?
No. By judge Benitez, all orders had to be purchased by 5:00 PM 4/5/19.

I didn't realize there were so many magazines in stock but then we are talking about mags for all types of guns.
I bet you some magazine manufacturer like MagPul likely went on 24/7 operation as soon as judge Benitez ruled on 3/29/19 legalizing large capacity magazines for California.

From what I read, most all available large capacity magazines were diverted for CA sales and many vendors sold out within hours/days until they were restocked.

I bet there were a lot of folks in CA ordering PMAG's by the crate.
Brownells and PSA both offered 100 pack PMags - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/happy-days-in-ca.849757/page-2#post-11098197

When you figure in Brownells, Midway, PSA and Magpul (most orders were apparently for GenII PMags) and all the companies large and small in addition to cleaning out stores in neighboring AZ and NV the number has to be pretty big.
And Oregon for Northern Californians.

And add to the number of magazines sold in one week the countless "magazine kits" that were already bought and assembled by 4/5/19 along with 10/30 blocked magazines that were drilled out, I believe the total number will run into tens of millions.
 
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This applies even more to challenges to the NFA, but no one seems to want to go there.

Yes, but the difference is the NFA has been federal law for virtually all living memory now, and was enacted just prior to most or all of the covered items truly making it into widespread civilian use. Not so with magazine bans.
 
Whoa. Didn’t expect it to be so many. I think the temporarily lifted ban was only a few days I think.
It was a week from Friday, 3/29/19 to 5:00 PM Friday, 4/5/19 (BTW, my birthday and what a B-day present from judge Benitez! :thumbup:)

And in the end (By the time appeal gets heard at 9th Circuit), it really doesn't matter exactly how many magazines were bought because fact is tens of millions of large capacity magazines (LCM) now exist in the state of California to better support the notion of "common use" in line with other states - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/happy-days-in-ca.849757/page-2#post-11098192

"... In 2008, Supreme Court held that the Second Amendment applies to arms in common use for lawful purposes. Benitez notes that highly popular firearms owned by millions of Americans, such as the Glock 17 pistol, the Ruger 10/22 rifle, and the AR-15 rifle, come equipped with magazines that exceed California's arbitrary limit ... 'Millions of ammunition magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds are in common use by law-abiding responsible citizens for lawful uses like self-defense ... This is enough to decide that a magazine able to hold more than 10 rounds passes the Heller test and is protected by the Second Amendment.'"

For Californians, this is win-win for us whether 9th Circuit rules in favor or not. If 9th Circuit panel happens to have enough pro-2A judges, we win and LCM becomes legal for all 9th Circuit states and US territory (Not likely). If case goes to the SCOTUS and ruled in favor of CA gun owners, LCM becomes legal for all 50 states and US territories. :D:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
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However, they weren't "high capacity" magazines, but rather "regular" capacity. (Yes, that is a pet peeve of mine.)
Yes, normal/standard capacity or "large capacity magazine" as indicated on court documents.

And I really like the fact that judge Benitez called them "arms". :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
I'm also going to ask if anyone has a source? Manufacturer or retailer stating how many they sold? Sudden surge in credit card payments? Anything? I'm sure that thousands were sold (heck, from the sounds of it if you tallied up the purchases from people on THR alone you'd have hundreds), but a million? I'm afraid I'm skeptical.
 
Much like a 'strategic oil reserve' there needs to be a strategic 'standard capacity magazine reserve'. I'm thinking a C130 cargo plane full to deliver and distribute/sell magazines when a call is needed such as what we just witnessed.

Really happy for all the Californian gun owners, you all are on the front lines and stand in the gap for the rest of this country on the erosion of 2A. Hopefully, this will give the Californian gun owners something to rally behind, and boost some of the influence that Calguns can have over these legislators.
 
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Are backorders legal to ship?
BDS said: No. By judge Benitez, all orders had to be purchased by 5:00 PM 4/5/19.

My thinking is the purchase took place when you placed your order and paid for it. If money was accepted for the backorder, sounds like a purchase to me.
 
Does anyone know if a retailer who took stock of magazines during the window if they can sell the inventory after the stay?
 
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