President Trump Rejects Stronger Background Checks

AlexanderA said:

Not countries we would want to emulate, and not "modern countries" in my view.

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The most likely candidate spent his honeymoon in the Soviet Union. He thought it was plenty "modern" enough.

My point which may be too subtle for some is that you can’t trust politicians to support gun rights. If you do vote for a candidate don’t give them a pass when they are in office as you like them better than their opponent.

That is foolish. Anything else a candidate does, doesn’t excuse folding on the issue and leading one to make some hero worship excuses.

GEM said:

My point which may be too subtle for some is that you can’t trust politicians to support gun rights. If you do vote for a candidate don’t give them a pass when they are in office as you like them better than their opponent.

That is foolish. Anything else a candidate does, doesn’t excuse folding on the issue and leading one to make some hero worship excuses.

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I cannot imagine any President that would wants to destroy his own BASE. Trump is no fool, and he knows how to deal the cards. You can't win every hand and you pick your battles. Trump will fight hard to keep his base and that means fighting for the 2nd Amendment, and that you can bet on. If you have a better candidate for the 2nd amendment rights, then please let's hear it. So which one that you choose should we all trust???

Deanimator said:

The most likely candidate spent his honeymoon in the Soviet Union.

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Bernie is not going to be the Dem nominee. You can bank on that.

AlexanderA said:

Bernie is not going to be the Dem nominee. You can bank on that.

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He wants to confiscate his enemies guns and wants to recreate Mao's Great Leap Forward. If he doesn't get the nomination it's because of orchestrated corruption of the process. His "activists" won't like that. Some of them profess to have guns.

Jeb Stuart said:

I cannot imagine any President that would wants to destroy his own BASE. Trump is no fool, and he knows how to deal the cards. You can't win every hand and you pick your battles. Trump will fight hard to keep his base and that means fighting for the 2nd Amendment, and that you can bet on. If you have a better candidate for the 2nd amendment rights, then please let's here it. So which one that you choose should we all trust???

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It's not about one man. It's about the totality of the political situation.

Trump, if re-elected, won't owe anything to anybody (base or not) any more. He will be free to pursue any antigun initiatives that strike his fancy, and Congress (whether controlled by the Republicans or the Democrats) will go along with it. An antigun Democrat as president, on the other hand, will have solid opposition by the Republicans in Congress. (This is why Obama wasn't able to do anything against guns.) The only way the Democrats can do anything on guns is if they win the trifecta (presidency, House, and Senate). And repeal the filibuster rule in the Senate. And persuade generally pro-gun Democratic senators, like Manchin and Tester. A tall order, for sure.

The real danger on guns is at the state level, and Trump can't do anything about that.

Deanimator said:

If he doesn't get the nomination it's because of orchestrated corruption of the process.

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No, it's because he doesn't have more than about 18% support (tops) among Democrats.

SharpDog said:

Make sure to vote for your RKBA in 2020 !

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How does that translate into concrete action? I don't consider a vote for Trump to be a vote for the RKBA. Once re-elected, he would be free of all constraints, and would revert back to his original attitudes about guns, which were anti-AW. Read the books that he wrote (or that were ghost-written for him) back before he ran for president. The man is crassly using gun owners. He will drop them the instant it's convenient for him.

What can he be trusted on? The prospect of him getting second term is actually frightening.

AlexanderA said:

No, it's because he doesn't have more than about 18% support (tops) among Democrats.

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It's the ONLY reason why he didn't get it last time.

He's the Zeitgeist... and James Hodgkinson was a big fan.

Palolosj said:

What can he be trusted on? The prospect of him getting second term is actually frightening.

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I honestly don't think that's going to happen. But if it does -- especially if it's with an Electoral College victory but a popular vote loss -- it will lead to a crisis of legitimacy not seen since the Civil War. Think Trump Derangement Syndrome is bad now? It will become 10 times worse.

CapnMac said:

And, NICS has its flaws, there are a number of States (±14 IIRC) which have not sent any disqualifying information to NICS. There are a number of States which have sent felony convictions, but not one domestic violence or mental health DQ. There's not a good way to audit NICS (nor staff to do so); there is speculation that the list is only 49-72% complete. Where are the cries that the State do their job?

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Wasn't one of the recent shootings done by someone that got their guns "legally" because their state of prior residency had failed to supply mental evaluations to NICS? I seem to remember this caused quite a stir several months ago.

taliv said:

it’s a lot less frightening than a term for Any of the dem contenders who all are for absolute confiscation

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What they might want and what they actually get are two different things. To realize the antigun nightmare, they would have to (a) win the presidency and the House and the Senate, (b) repeal the Senate filibuster rule, and (c) impose party discipline on pro-gun Senators like Manchin and Tester. That's a tall order. On the other hand, Trump, if re-elected, could get just about any antigun thing he fancied passed.

With all of his faults Trump is still a way better alternative to any of the bat blank crazy Dems on the stage no question, period.

I can guarantee you folks one thing though, if Trump wins we're going to see a social unsettling unlike anything we've seen for quite some time.

Make preparations now...

Good Ol' Boy said:

With all of his faults Trump is still a way better alternative to any of the bat blank crazy Dems on the stage no question, period.

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Think strategically. It's the totality of the situation that counts, not one particular individual. The antigunners plan for 10,15 years down the road. The pro-gun side should start doing the same. What do we do after Trump, whether that's in 2021 or 2025?

Good Ol' Boy said:

I can guarantee you folks one thing though, if Trump wins we're going to see a social unsettling unlike anything we've seen for quite some time.

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This is true. Not a prospect I for one would look forward to.

AlexanderA said:

Once re-elected, he would be free of all constraints, and would revert back to his original attitudes about guns, which were anti-AW.

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I don’t necessarily think so. Many claim Trump is a narcissist. And I don’t really disagree. Trump wants his legacy. He spent (and still spends) a lot of time talking about Obama’s legacy. Trump’s legacy is founded on his base. His base is largely RKBA people. I don’t think he’s willing to risk that. Maybe I’m wrong. I don’t personally know him. But that’s my hypothesis.

JTHunter said:

Wasn't one of the recent shootings done by someone that got their guns "legally" because their state of prior residency had failed to supply mental evaluations to NICS?

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Maybe--too many of these clowns too often in the press.
The Texas church shooter lied and used his former Colorado address, since he knew his Texas LTC had been denied. Allegedly, USAF failed to file his DV conviction with NICS afte rbeing released from the Brig in San Diego.
There was a bit of a stink from the possibility that AF had not transmitted any DV convictions to NICS. But, it was going to be hard to pin that on any one scapegoat, so the various JAG elements just shut up until the smoke cleared and back to business as usual.

I am around these anti-gun people and listen to what they say. A real attack is against the Base. Many anti-gun people do not like the mentality or anything about of the Base. The Democrats are talking of gun control because the issue has traction. Look at the numbers. What do the number say? Our politicians are driven by these numbers. POTUS doing flips on many issues leaves ordinary mortals not knowing if they are afoot or on horseback. I don't know from one day to the next where POTUS stands on anything.

Electoral College: It's not the Civil War. Most recently it was the election of 1876.

Palolosj said:

What can he be trusted on? The prospect of him getting second term is actually frightening.

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Lol, that is the same argument used before the his election. Not to mention CNN reported that Hillary would win with a whopping 300 electoral votes. If you are a Democrat and listen to the propaganda from them, then of course you will fall for the same garbage that Trump does not have a chance. The election of Trump made me some hard cash. At the time I was playing online betting. Every time I heard nonsense like Trump was so far to right of center, every time CNN would lie to their base, was music to my ears. At the time, I was doing the betting which was set up like stocks. Buy and sell shares based on the everyday market. As much as I cannot stand CNN, I watched it to decide to on how to sell or buy the stock. There is so much false information that is being put out to the public, information that you better not bet on. As I said, the 2nd amendment is nothing but a "Wedge Issue". And there are a lot more Democrats that believe in the 2nd Amendment than folks realize.
Trump is a strong leader, and of course the Democrats hate that. But do they really? Hillary was very weak, Bernie so far out in some crazy snowflake world he lives in was a sure loser. And after Obama,well, the country was not about to make a third mistake.
Trump has become even stronger than before the election. Unless something happens he will be a front runner. The Democrats better get someone else. They have a very weak stable of horse;s for the running. And they better get off the Wedge Issue of gun control. Wedge issues never win a election.

Deanimator said:

You can't impose Holodomor v2.0 on people who can resist with force.

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This is what I love about this site. Learn something every day. I had never heard this term before, although I was keenly aware of the starvations in both communist Russia under Stalin, and in communist China under Mao. Can't wait for the next time I get to teach comparative political systems to high school kids who often ask "Why do old people say Communism is bad?"

Jeb Stuart said:

Thank God we have a President that is on our side.

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He's not on our side. Or, if he is, his nick name should be Benedict Arnold. He may not be our outright enemy, as Obama was, and Clinton would have been, had she been elected, but he is certainly not our ally.

Conelrad said:

Another deterrent to mass shootings would be to arrest & charge the immediate family of the shooter as well.

They had the best barometer on the crazy level, and need to be accountable as well.

Once that becomes common knowledge, and knowing what would happen to them, they wouldn't want go down for Dorko's (Dorka's too) actions.

The relatives should pull them back from the brink, secure the guns, maybe even have them committed ahead of time.

Conelrad

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Interesting concept. I seem to recall the Sandy Hook Elementary shooter, johnny I forget his name, killed his mother before he went on a rampage. I believe the Texas tower shooter, johnny I forget his name, too, killed his mother as well.