troy fairweather
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I prefer a 7mm but almost half the deer i shot were with 6mms. All but one was drt. I shot a buck at 320 yards with the 95 hornady interbond deer dress at 265, and did not move a inch when the bullet hit.
Firearms expert Julian Hatcher studied falling bullets in the 1920s and calculated that .30 caliber rounds reach terminal velocities of 90 m/s (300feet per second or 186 miles per hour). A bullet traveling at only 61 m/s (200 feet per second) to 100 m/s (330 feet per second) can penetrate human skin.
The .22-250's bullets run out of steam a Lil before the .243 but with a 75 gr scirocco2 I'd be comfortable out there a good ways. Either choice has more thump at 700 yds than a .357 revolver at 50 yds.........which realities are we ignoring?How about a thread that the 22 250 is just as good as the 243. I mean with the proper bullet selection ...... and proper shot placement .......
Same old arguments which ignore certain realities.
The .22-250's bullets run out of steam a Lil before the .243 but with a 75 gr scirocco2 I'd be comfortable out there a good ways. Either choice has more thump at 700 yds than a .357 revolver at 50 yds.........which realities are we ignoring?
I wasn't saying that people SHOULD shoot at 700 yards. And as far as running, I've seen plenty of deer run as far or farther with 7mms .30s and other such wonderkillers, a few years ago I was lucky enough to witness a kill with a .243 sub 50 yards and a .270 sub 50 yards, both deer went 15 yards and with the exception of one at and incline and one at a decline same shot placement, the vital cavity looked exactly the same.......... I know I know, it just can't be true, I'll see the ghost of ol O'Connor tonight. Regardless, as someone who runs plenty larger cartridges for giggles, the .243 is up to the task. Does it compare to my stw screaming 162 elds downrange? No, but the reality is, if you can't get the right bullet out of a 6mm tube into the vital zone and liquefy some lungs, it ain't the gun's fault.You are talking 700 yard shots on deer with a .243 I'm not sure there are any realities left to ignore at that point, lol The .243 has lousy killing power at 50 yards. Tiny little hole, in and out. Does it kill them? Yes, but they run much further when lung shot vs a larger caliber. Some guy mentioned his dad hating .243 cause he couldn't recover a buck. I have had the same scenario several times when shooting from the ground in thick vegetation except I have a dog that can find a camo'ed deer in the long brown grass. Again, "does the job" isn't a good selling point and if it's a good enough selling point for you then a 5.56/.223 still makes better sense.....
whitetail, mule deer and pronghorn hunting with a 243. If a shot presented itself at 300-350 yards do you feel the caliber would get the job done? The bullet would be a 100 grain soft point. I am talking about putting a solid hit on the game also.
You can't be serious! You can NOT have killed deer with anything that under powered! AND that .300 partition story was probably a fluke bullet failure! For shame sir! For shame! have you ever tried the 64 bonded solid bases in that .22? It's a shame you can't get em in 6 or 7mm!I seen a buck run 300 yards last year, kid shot into the liver and some lung. Rifle was a 300wm with a 180 partion at 50 yards. Shot placement is key. I've killed a lot of deer with 22-250s even using varmint bullets. High shoulder neck and just I front of the shoulder of behind depending on the angle.
No not yet. I have the 22-250 to my dad after his surgery and he kinda kept it lol. I would like to try this in my 223s tho. The 22-250 probably won't shoot the 64s it's a 1-14. For 7mm I was using the Sierra pro hunters they work good for just a cup and core, but there getting pricey. Prolly just go back to cheap speers again.You can't be serious! You can NOT have killed deer with anything that under powered! AND that .300 partition story was probably a fluke bullet failure! For shame sir! For shame! have you ever tried the 64 bonded solid bases in that .22? It's a shame you can't get em in 6 or 7mm!
We're putting together a fast twist to try and keep the Valk on her toes, but in the 1-14 I've got of my dad's, I'm gonna give em a try, they were designed for the slower twists, could be I'll need a minimum of 1-12, but still, can't help but trying!No not yet. I have the 22-250 to my dad after his surgery and he kinda kept it lol. I would like to try this in my 223s tho. The 22-250 probably won't shoot the 64s it's a 1-14. For 7mm I was using the Sierra pro hunters they work good for just a cup and core, but there getting pricey. Prolly just go back to cheap speers again.
I've been looking for a fn mauser action to build the rifle I used when I first started hunting. It was in 243 but thinking a 6mm ackley would be fun. A fast twist 22 sounds fun to. Maybe do a 22-243 one day. Waiting for my dad to get a good lathe soon, then I can play around more.We're putting together a fast twist to try and keep the Valk on her toes, but in the 1-14 I've got of my dad's, I'm gonna give em a try, they were designed for the slower twists, could be I'll need a minimum of 1-12, but still, can't help but trying!
If you're wanting fun.......6x284.........fast enough twist to handle these new fangled elds.......I've been looking for a fn mauser action to build the rifle I used when I first started hunting. It was in 243 but thinking a 6mm ackley would be fun. A fast twist 22 sounds fun to. Maybe do a 22-243 one day. Waiting for my dad to get a good lathe soon, then I can play around more.
I have wanted to do one in 6-284 for years.I remember reading as a kid about it. But seems the fps are not what they should be. Maybe a gang twist bartline would help.If you're wanting fun.......6x284.........fast enough twist to handle these new fangled elds.......
I double lunged an axis buck twice last week with my .280 and 140s at 3k, still ran about 100yds. bullet performance was acceptable, but from experience it appears fusions don't open up particularly violently.You are talking 700 yard shots on deer with a .243 I'm not sure there are any realities left to ignore at that point, lol The .243 has lousy killing power at 50 yards. Tiny little hole, in and out. Does it kill them? Yes, but they run much further when lung shot vs a larger caliber. Some guy mentioned his dad hating .243 cause he couldn't recover a buck. I have had the same scenario several times when shooting from the ground in thick vegetation except I have a dog that can find a camo'ed deer in the long brown grass. Again, "does the job" isn't a good selling point and if it's a good enough selling point for you then a 5.56/.223 still makes better sense.....
Lol. If its so inadequate why dont you go stand at 1k yards and let some one take as few shots at you with a 100 gr soft point.If it wasn't an heirloom I would make you a great deal on it because I need money and I hate dust collectors. But unfortunately I'm caught in youth rifle caliber hell thanks to promoters of the now antiquated ultimate whitetail caliber.
Does it kill them? Yes, but they run much further when lung shot vs a larger caliber.
I double lunged an axis buck twice last week with my .280 and 140s at 3k, still ran about 100yds. bullet performance was acceptable, but from experience it appears fusions don't open up particularly violently.
Diameter of the bullet at impact matters a great deal less to me than how quickly it opens up.
Do you hand load?Lol, axis deer in Hawaii? Did not know! Are you on the big island or were you hunting another state?
I've mentioned my issues with the 243 before. All sub 50 yard shots. Some on bedded deer. Always double lung shots to broadside deer. I don't hunt per se, I harvest. My porch is my deer stand and I can bait so I always take my sweet time waiting for broadside shots through the lungs. The bedded deer get up and run. That sucks. Do I wanna chase deer 100 yards through the Texas salt cedar scrub? My property is deep but narrow at the front and widening as it goes back to the woods. A deer going 75 yards left or right of my shot is now on someone else's property. Minus using a dog, finding a deer like that out here can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. I've had to get the dog for deer that made it 30 yards or less. Brown deer, brown long grass. You can be right up on it and not see it.
Remington core lokt 100 grain turned the lungs into a bloody puree but didn't leave much of an exit wound. Compared to a Tula 154 grain soft point in a x39 that smashed and shattered ribs and had left behind tongue sized heart and lung chunks, of which smaller pieces were blown out on the grass on the far side of the deer. There was more devastation to the body, 2-3x size exit wound with the larger bullet and a deer that died sooner.
Honestly been looking at a 450 bushmaster bolt rifle for deer season next year. Considering the terrain I hunt, shot distances, and past experiences I've moved to the slow and heavy camp vs the light and fast for medium and large game. The numbers look similar to a .444 marlin I used to shoot and I have seen some devastating deer shots with that on youtube so that caliber has my interest.