Those are excellent bullets, far be it from me to tell an old guy what he needs.
furthest shot on big game with your 243.
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Because if people don't buy many, they have to try some other design. It's probably like fishing lures, which may be designed to "catch" buyers more than fish?
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Wyoming antelope doe at 319 yds, bone stock Rem. 783, 100 gr. Hornady Whitetail load, rested on my closed fist over the hard tonneau cover of my truck. Did I mention the 20 mph cross wind (it was Wyoming)? Thank goodness for practice at 300 yds, a 200 yd. zero, and studying ballistics tables. Aimed at the top of her hip and spined her (about 3" below the top of her shoulder), dropped like a stone. Didn't drop as much as I thought, or maybe I wasn't quite as steady as I thought. I prefer shooting at less than 300 yards.
John Barsness has said the Deep Shok bullets were designed thinking they could provide higher retained weight without core bonding at a cost only slightly more to manufacture than a typical cup & core bullet. He said the accomplished the first goal but not the second.
The Deep Curl was a bonded via electrochemical process bullet with only slightly higher cost than cup & core. Reports of pressure spikes evidently led ATK to use the technology to produce the Fusion line of loaded ammunition under Federal instead of component bullets by Speer according to Barsness. Fusion component bullets have recently become available under the Federal brand but not smaller than .264 diameter for whatever reason.
I picked up some .308 165 grain Speer Deep Shok component bullets from an estate sale. I haven't been able to find a published the G1 BC for these even in a 2002 Speer catalog - all it lists is "TBA". Since Speer tends to put all Speer bullets of the same diameter and weight in the same reloading table data these days (Hot-Cor, Boattail Soft Point, Grand Slam) I don't expect any difficulties working up load data but it would be helpful to locate a published G1 BC value.
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The speer gold dots I believe are about the same as the fusion and they have a 22. I'd like to try the 6.5 oneday.
All of my .243 rifles have a 20-22" barrel, pushing 2920 with 100 gr bullets outta the 20" tube (if that's where this was headed), one friend has a short barreled 788 that is not a distance runner as it won't stabilize the right bullets........ With the shorter pills, I have no troubles with the prairie dogs out to 200-400 yds (wind dependant) but even large animals don't get pushed passed 300 on the windy days with the 95 ssts.
And? Since my post you quoted has no reference to Speer Gold Dot rifle bullets I don't understand what point you're looking to make by copying my post into your post.
Federal Fusion factory ammunition is available in .243 [& .257 and .22 (.223, .224, & .22-250)] but not (yet anyway) available as component bullets in .243 (this thread relevance) or .257, or .22, consistent with my post you quoted into your post.
https://www.federalpremium.com/reloading/bullets/
The link you posted doesn't indicate any Speer Gold Dot component bullets are available at retail in .243 (or .257).
I'm pretty sure the timeline is the Speer Gold Dot rifle bullets first became available after ATK discontinued Speer Deep Curl bullets and released Federal Fusion factory loaded ammunition. I honestly don't know if Speer Gold Dot rifle bullets premiered for sale before or after ATK spun off Vista Outdoors.
So - ?????
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Golfanaticshooter
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That dog probably would've walked up to you and said "What's up?"
You're looking for the g1 bc..... Eta: the multiple 22 offerings, as smaller than .264
I wouldn't load 6.5mm or .22 Speer Gold Dot bullets in either .243 cases or .30-06 cases and try firing them, if that's what you're getting at, for any reason regardless of the G1 BC of the .22 Speer Gold Dot rifle bullets if that's what you're getting at.
The Speer Deep Shok 165 grain .308 bullets I have, and all Speer Deep Shok bullets to my knowledge, have nothing to do with Federal Fusion, Speer Deep Curl, or Speer Gold Dot rifle bullets. In my post you quoted, I explained the Speer Deep Shok line were not bonded core design bullets - whether electrochemical or any other bullet core bonding process - the Deep Shok line was not core bonded.
So still - ????
Explain the relationship you see between the AFAIK unpublished G1 BC of the .308 165 grain Deep Shok bullets I have (that came to me loose packaged in a Ziplock bag from an estate sale) and the .22 Speer Gold Dot rifle bullets which unquestionably are smaller diameter than any 6.5mm and .308 bullets of any make & model.I don't see what you're getting at quoting my post plus a post by @troy fairweather plus a link to the current Production Speer bullets website.
Edit - here's a photo of one of the .308 165 grain bullets I purchased
From the outside they look like a Speer Mag Tip or Grand Slam with a boat tail. Inside they're quite different from the other Speer bullet lines.
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