Hornady Brass: The truth will set you free. But first it will piss you off!

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C0D89B8D-B5A3-42D0-88D9-2892696F2ED2.jpeg C0D89B8D-B5A3-42D0-88D9-2892696F2ED2.jpeg Against my better judgment, I reloaded some once fired Hornady brass for my 300 Savage...a nice model 99. The Hornady factory rounds were fired in the same rifle. Brass sized nicely...standard dies. Brass was trimmed to minimum specs. Bullet seated to 2.600”...SAAMI max COL. Primer pockets were not over-sized. My load was 40.0 grains of IMR4064. Hornady 150 grain Interlock bullet. Federal 210 primers. A moderate, mid-range load in the Hornady reloading manual. Around 2500fps. First 10 rounds were fired with once fired Federal brass. Primers showed no signs of excess pressure. The pictures below show the first shot with the once fired Hornady brass. STAY AWAY FROM THIS CRAP. And Hornady, if you’re reading this you should damn well know better than to put crap like this on the market. 271A6258-486F-4A44-9615-A7A74E230F0B.jpeg
 
Probably should contact Hornady. They are a very reputable company that produces high quality products. I’m sure they would like to inspect this for defects.
 
The shoulder was set back too far during the full length sizing and when the brass stretched to set the shoulder of the brass against the matching shoulder of the chamber when fired, it caused complete case head separation.

How many thousandths are you setting the shoulder back when you resize it?

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
Way too many variables that could be at fault to just immediately throw the brass under the bus.

Shoulder set back way too far, oversize chamber, undersized dies, a combination of both or all three, load was worked up in one brand of brass with a larger case capacity then transferred to brass with a smaller capacity raising pressures to unfavorable levels...
 
The shoulder was set back too far during the full length sizing and when the brass stretched to set the shoulder of the brass against the matching shoulder of the chamber when fired, it caused complete case head separation.

Started off miking 10 cases to the datum line. 8 had zero set back. One had .001” set back and one had .0015” set back after resizing. There was no problem with the Federal brass whatsoever.

How many thousandths are you setting the shoulder back when you resize it?

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
Way too many variables that could be at fault to just immediately throw the brass under the bus.

Shoulder set back way too far, oversize chamber, undersized dies, a combination of both or all three, load was worked up in one brand of brass with a larger case capacity then transferred to brass with a smaller capacity raising pressures to unfavorable levels...

See my reply to Reloaderfred.
 
I have seen good manufacturers have bad product slip out the door. First thing I would do is section another case from the same batch and see what it looks like from the inside.

FWIW your reply didn’t post just Fred’s post you quoted.
 
I have seen good manufacturers have bad product slip out the door. First thing I would do is section another case from the same batch and see what it looks like from the inside.

FWIW your reply didn’t post just Fred’s post you quoted.
Started out miking 10 cases to the datum line. 8 had zero set back. One set back .001” and one went .0015”. The Federal cases were no problem whatsoever.
 
I have noticed that some of the Hornady brass I have weighed was noticeably lighter than other brands. ( I have zero experience with the cartridge in question.) While this may be a safety factory in one respect (greater case volume = lower pressure), it is probably not conducive to longer case life for reloading. I noticed your load is listed in my Nosler No. 7 manual as maximum with their 150/155 gr bullet, even though the Hornady 8th Edition indicates it as a mild load. (Odd, since that Hornady manual is usually quite conservative, compared to other data sources). So, I don't know if that makes Hornady brass junk, or their data for the .300 Savage way high for a lever action or if the loading process is to blame. Maybe each could be a contributing factor?
 
A separation like that on the first reload makes me want to check exactly what Fred posted.

First thing I would do is section another case from the same batch and see what it looks like from the inside.
This is the other thing you need to check. Bad brass happens sometimes. I'll be interested to see what a cut open case that wasn't reloaded yet looks like inside.

Hornady makes a ton of brass that fires and reloads perfectly, they don't make junk. Mistakes happen though, and you need to figure out if it is a bad batch of cases, or something else.
 
These rants about one poor failure just don’t make sense. The OP has to know gaggles of satisfied customers which have experienced the typical high quality performance from Hornady brass will come in and prove his case to be anomalous - or his own fault - so I never understand why folks set themselves up to be destroyed like that.

Sure, a case separation with once fired brass is an unpleasant surprise - vent about the circumstances of such bad luck, and we’d all commiserate over the unfortunate and unexpected event. But throwing mud at Hornady for what assuredly was either a fluke which could happen to any manufacturer, or a user error by the OP just doesn’t bring anything productive to the table, and leaves most respondents prone to refuse the attack in Hornady’s defense, and view the rant as irrational badmouthing, yielding no sympathy, deserved as it may or may not be.
 
Like Fred & Walkalong, I'm seeing an excessive headspace/over-sizing problem.
Get THIS, and measure the case headspace (dimension) of that once-fired factory brass.
When resizing, don't go more that 2-thou less than that,
 
Read my previous post. Miked 10 cases at the datum line on the shoulder. 8 of 10 had zero set back. One set back .001” and one set back .0015”. Excessive headspace problem with the rifle? Should have had a similar problem with the Federal brass that was reloaded. The Federal brass showed no signs of excessive pressure.
 
@whatnickname - I don’t expect I can say this in any manner which won’t be taken the wrong way, but here goes...

Case separation is only EXCEPTIONALLY RARELY caused by excessive pressure. It’s almost exclusively caused by excessive headspace (undersizing cartridges). Separations do happen with over pressure charges, but typically are not the sole symptom - and frankly, in over-pressure events, I have more often seen cases hold intact without separating, and swaging themselves locked into the bolt face. So even in a known excessive pressure event, it’s less common to have that type of classic case head separation, which is commonly attributed to excessive headspace.

So referencing lack of pressure signs in the Federal cases is a non-sequitur argument. Case separation in the Hornady really isn’t an indicator of excessive pressure, so lack of pressure signs in the Federal cases doesn’t indicate any difference in strength or quality.

When we walk through the decision tree for troubleshooting a separated case, when we arrive at this point, the question is ALWAYS, “was the case undersized for the chamber? Aka, excessive headspace?” Given your confirmation the case was not undersized, we follow a “no” path, which leads to paperclip testing the rest of the lot on hand to evaluate for incipient separation lines. If more cases fail the paperclip test, then you have a chat with Hornady about a potentially bad lot of brass. If they pass the paperclip, then you chalk the separation up for what it was - a fluke - and go about your business with the rest of the brass.
 
Read my previous post. Miked 10 cases at the datum line on the shoulder. 8 of 10 had zero set back. One set back .001” and one set back .0015”. Excessive headspace problem with the rifle? Should have had a similar problem with the Federal brass that was reloaded. The Federal brass showed no signs of excessive pressure.

What device are you using to measure to the datum line?
 
These rants about one poor failure just don’t make sense. The OP has to know gaggles of satisfied customers which have experienced the typical high quality performance from Hornady brass...

I was going off he assumption that the OP had fine results with other brass and everything from process, settings to all other components were the same.

I once had a bad batch of new unfired brass from a well respected manufacturer. The first case blew out on me, so I looked inside the next one to see why.

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That showed me a flaw right along the area where the previous case failed.

FWIW I still use brass from that manufacturer, just didn’t use any more from that batch.

For the OP, until you section a case, we don’t know, what we don’t know. We do know many people that are happy with Hornady brass though and that’s why most responses are putting “the ball in your court”.
 
@whatnickname - I don’t expect I can say this in any manner which won’t be taken the wrong way, but here goes...

Case separation is only EXCEPTIONALLY RARELY caused by excessive pressure. It’s almost exclusively caused by excessive headspace (undersizing cartridges). Separations do happen with over pressure charges, but typically are not the sole symptom - and frankly, in over-pressure events, I have more often seen cases hold intact without separating, and swaging themselves locked into the bolt face. So even in a known excessive pressure event, it’s less common to have that type of classic case head separation, which is commonly attributed to excessive headspace.

So referencing lack of pressure signs in the Federal cases is a non-sequitur argument. Case separation in the Hornady really isn’t an indicator of excessive pressure, so lack of pressure signs in the Federal cases doesn’t indicate any difference in strength or quality.

When we walk through the decision tree for troubleshooting a separated case, when we arrive at this point, the question is ALWAYS, “was the case undersized for the chamber? Aka, excessive headspace?” Given your confirmation the case was not undersized, we follow a “no” path, which leads to paperclip testing the rest of the lot on hand to evaluate for incipient separation lines. If more cases fail the paperclip test, then you have a chat with Hornady about a potentially bad lot of brass. If they pass the paperclip, then you chalk the separation up for what it was - a fluke - and go about your business with the rest of the brass.
 
Having experienced bad brass in my shooting lifetime... and following the OP's logic... if the case was bad to start with, it would have failed on the first firing. As others mentioned, either paperclip the remaining cases, or section them for a better view. They may be stretched, they may be brittle, they may be defective... but not on purpose. The OP mentions his Federal cases did fine... if there is a brand of case that has more critics than any other... it's Federal! I would probably section a few of those, too, just to see whats going on.
 
Head separation. That's all your fault; you need to reload for this rifle, not just this caliber.
 
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Yep based on the failure of one (1) piece of Brass, out of millions, Hornady brass has been deemed crap, and of no use to anyone. It could not have been anything else.
And here I though the junk brass was Remington, or was it Federal? No it must be ...................?????????????????
I had piece of LC with a case head separate. I avoid it all now,:scrutiny:
 
FWIW; Unless you yourself fired the Hornady brass one time, "once fired" only means used, and no guarantee of how many times it was fired...
 
I'm not sure why you reloaded that brass. As you posted,

Against my better judgment, I reloaded some once fired Hornady brass for my 300 Savage...a nice model 99. The Hornady factory rounds were fired in the same rifle. Brass sized nicely...standard dies. Brass was trimmed to minimum specs. Bullet seated to 2.600”...SAAMI max COL. Primer pockets were not over-sized. My load was 40.0 grains of IMR4064. Hornady 150 grain Interlock bullet. Federal 210 primers. A moderate, mid-range load in the Hornady reloading manual. Around 2500fps. First 10 rounds were fired with once fired Federal brass. Primers showed no signs of excess pressure. The pictures below show the first shot with the once fired Hornady brass.

You must of had problems before,.
 
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