Winchester rimfire ammo really let me down.

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I do my best to shoot every other week, with rimfire handguns and rifles being the guns I bring and shoot the most.

I've had hit and miss rimfire quality, with a noticeable improvement in reliability in more recent production.... until last Friday.

I took out a newly purchased Model 48-4 .22 WMR to shoot alongside my Model 17-2 .22 LR and my 6.5” Ruger MK II Govt Target Model. I brought along CCI Mini Mag 40 gr PRN and CCI Blazer 40 gr LRN for the LR guns and Winchester 40 gr FMJ and a 150 count box of “Universal” 45 gr Dynapoint HP.

The Blazer had one FTF and one FTE in 200 rounds in the MK II. All fired without issue in the Model 17.

I fired at B-27 targets at 15 yards, 100 rounds, 50 of the Blazer and 50 of Mini mags at the targets. All were shot standing two handed (the Model 17 fired DA) and we’re fired at a one shot per second pace.

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All the flyers were my fault trying to keep the pace of fire up :fire:.

Then the .22 mag came out. Man, did I learn that Winchester “Universal” ammo at Wal Mart is absolute crap. I had at least two failures to fire in each cylinder. Didn’t just happen in one chamber and even when rotated to strike the rim in another place they still didn’t fire. Sometimes the cases would stick in the chambers, other times not. I’ve read that Universal 12 gauge shells cause issues, now it seems that anything made for the Universal label is total garbage.

Thinking that a switch of ammo might be better I tried the FMJ ammo. Again the ammo was junk. I found some bullets were cannelured, others not, the cases would sometimes stick in the chambers making the rims drag on the recoil shield in DA and the final straw after exactly 50 shots was a pierced rim that completely tied up the gun. (I had to head home and use a plastic tipped hammer to tap the cylinder open :cuss:).

I am amazed at how crappy these products were. I shoot a lot of Winchester ammo, but with the .22 WMR, never again.

After only 50 shots it was tied up with the pierced rim. With the occasional dragging rim from the oversized cartridge cases I threw a few:
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Here is the Universal ammo. (Sorry it’s a bit out of focus). It looks like cheap plating on a lead HP.
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These are the mish-mosh of bullets in the same FMJ box:
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And the pierced rim that ended my day at the range: D3274D80-0DE7-42A9-9A23-83068B5237C8.jpeg

And the crap ammo on the shelves at Wal mart. Stay away from this junk!

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...and the FMJ as well:

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Hopefully you all will have better luck than I did if you try this stuff!

Stay safe.
 
Walmart has been known to buy seconds from factories to sell at a decidedly lower price point with a slightly adjusted model number printed on the package. I’ve seen it with their tv’s especially.

I would say 100% that’s what’s happening with Winchester “Universal.” It’s literally the seconds and overruns that get caught by Quality Control. They get thrown in a box labeled “Walmart” and packaged separately.
 
Walmart has been known to buy seconds from factories to sell at a decidedly lower price point with a slightly adjusted model number printed on the package. I’ve seen it with their tv’s especially.
Off-Topic reply: I'd be interested in actual evidence or citable reporting on that assertion. Walmart does have some brands sell them walmart-specific versions in packaging, as does Home Depot, but I have never seen any indication that they ar "factory seconds."
 
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I am currently working my way through a bulk box (550 rounds) of Winchester .22LR that has caused me one problem. I have a Heritage Rough Rider, a S&W Model 41, and two Hi-Standard Model 103 Citations, that I put my .22lR though. The Winchester will not feed properly in any of the three semi-autos, repeatedly locking them up. As a result, I am using up the Winchester in my RR, and have a bulk box of Federal for the other three. After all the problems with the handgun semi-autos, I did not even bother testing the Winchester in my 10/22.

So, once finished off, that will be the last of Winchester rimfire I buy. Meanwhile, I am finding that Winchester centerfire is working fine for me in several calibres.
 
In .22LR , for me I find anything Federal and CCI works just fine. I must admit having different types of problems with Winchester, in .22LR only. No problems with any centerfire ammo from Winchester. The .22LR hand guns that I have occasional problems with Winchester ammo are an Older Ruger 22/45 with the 5.5 inch bull barrel and a Heritage RR 6.5 inch. I haven't shot my single shot 22LR rifle, about a 61year old Winchester Model 67A in years. So I can't say anything about that.
 
For the semi auto's I have, CCI and Federal bulk work just fine. They're 22, so you can expect the very occasional fail to fire, but that is rare. If my memory serves me correctly, the issue with Winchester stuff was both fail to fire, and very inconsistent charges that felt notably different when shooting, sometimes causing a short stroke failure to eject.

In the stupidity of my youth, I once got so mad at a 500 bulk box of Win xpert that I took the remainder of the box and shot it with some 00 buck. It had squibbed in my Browning Buckmark and rendered the gun useless until I took it home and pounded that stupid bullet of of the barrel. I was furious, and dumb. Take in mind this was WAY before the 2012 drought.

During the drought, I decided to pick up some silver boxed Super X to see if it was any better...nope, terrible as usual. In the end, Win rimfire joined the ranks of Remington...no more for me.
 
For me, I stay away from Winchester and Remington Thunderbolt 22. ammo.

CCI all the way!!

Yeah...the CCI Blazer bulk runs perfectly in my 15-22 and SR22. It is exceptionally rare to have issues with it. It was/is my go-to for 22 shooting.

During the "drought", I was getting that Federal Auto-match and although it was a bit expensive in those 325 packs, it was really reliable as well. Maybe a few bad ones in an entire box.
 
Walmart has been known to buy seconds from factories to sell at a decidedly lower price point with a slightly adjusted model number printed on the package. I’ve seen it with their tv’s especially.

I would say 100% that’s what’s happening with Winchester “Universal.” It’s literally the seconds and overruns that get caught by Quality Control. They get thrown in a box labeled “Walmart” and packaged separately.
I'd like to see proof of that, when it comes to ammo...

DM
 
I rarely have had bulk pack .22 that was reasonably accurate and reliable, and the few occasions when I thought I'd finally found it, a subsequent batch would let me down. So I filed the whole mess in the "life is too short" category and now spend a bit more money on stuff like the CCI "Standard Velocity" LRN.
 
A few years back I bought a Brick of Winchester Target grade ammo, T22. The cases were splitting when firing it in my model 41. I sent it back and WInchester advised me there was nothing wrong with it it must be my model 41 chamber was out of spec. Since then I have fired thousands of rounds of CCI Standard velocity, and Federal match champion ammo in the model 41, with no split cases.. Winchester rimfire ammo is crap.
 
I’m one of those guys who will regularly buy .22 rimfire ammo when I’m in a store (LR or WMR depending on the cost and need). I’m not partial to one make or model, and with Ca’s new PITA ammo buying rules I’ll buy 2,500 at a time rather than in smaller lots.

As a result I’ve got stuff from just about every manufacturer, but man this range trip ticked me off! (It stinks getting a new-to-me gun I’ve wanted for a while and having to hang it up early because the ammo is garbage and ties the gun all up!)

A lot of the fail to feeds I got with both Winchester and some Aguila .22 LR seemed to be due to oversized bullet diameters. They were really tight in the Ruger chambers (A standard and the MK II) causing the bolt to fail to close without help. I then found these same loads also needed a nudge to chamber in the Single Six and Model 17.

Others have had an occasional Fail to Fire or Extract issues, but those aren’t new with LR guns. (One total case separation tied up the MKII but good when the entire rim came clean off with the extractor leaving a stuck case lodged in the chamber that wasn’t visible until disassembled.)

Oh well, I guess these issues are ones I’ll deal with on occasion if I want to keep shooting my rimfires.

Stay safe.
 
I can't comment on the Winchester 22 mag ammo you have but the older Winchester 22 mag I have on hand has been excellent. But its also at least 10 years old. My favorite 22 mag ammo is Armscor. Armscor also loads 22 mag ammo for Fiocchi and it has a great reputation. And it has a real jacketed bullet, not those junk plated bullets CCI uses. If I use CCI 22 mag ammo I have to re-sight my rifle because the CCI drops about 2-3" more at 100 yards.

But thanks for the heads up on the new Winchester sold by WM. I bought 4,500 Armscor when Sportsmans Warehouse had it on sale for $5.65 a box of 50 so have plenty of 22 mag on hand now.
 
Well...your picture of the Winchester Universal DOES say "Copper Plated Dynapoint" on it, so it is copper plated and not copper jacketed.

The .22 WMR I have is relatively old...meaning it's part of what I stocked up on years ago when I wasn't shooting much, but still bought a box or two whenever I passed by some. It was my early-days dream of filling a 50 cal ammo can of every caliber I had.

(For information, a 50 cal ammo can will hold 70 boxes of .22 WMR, neatly packed in two layers of 28 boxes stacked on-end and one layer of 14 boxes stacked on the side. That's 3,500 rounds.)

My .22 WMR experience has been mostly Winchester and CCI Maxi-Mags. Untold thousands of which have rarely, if ever, failed me.
 
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When I shot a lot of 22 I found Winchester to be the dirtiest ammo ever. I also found that their white box ammo in 9mm is horrible. The quality control is lacking, i get dented cases, deformed cases, bullets practically falling out. A real crap shoot...buying Wicnhesters lately. Only ammo worse is field&stream ammo sold at Dicks Sporting goods.
 
It's bee a long time (years) since Remington and Winchester 22cal. ammo touched my firearms.
To avoid frustrations I kept my selection between the middle range prices and quality on Federal Automatch 325 or RUA when available.

czhen
 
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I'm currently shooting up the odds and ends of .22lr that every shooter accumulates to get them out of my cabinet, but I have long since standardized on CCI Standard Velocity and Mini-Mags. For reliable performance I haven't found anything better.

I will give a nod to Armscor though. A fellow shooter gave me a box of his at the range the other day as I was grumbling and prying a Remington out of my pistol. Every one fed and fired and grouped pretty nicely.
 
The only .22 WMR FTF's were with the Winchester garbage sold at Wal-Mart. Beside FTF's I had trouble getting spent shells out of the cylinders. On to of that it is the filthiest ammo I ever used. I complained to Winchester about it a they offered to send me more of that crap ammo for free. I politely refused.

That was a couple of years ago. I been have been using CCI exclusively ever since and have not had one issue.
 
I don't buy ammo or guns from Walmart, I try to buy from my LGS. We need them. I pay a little
bit more but I'm trying to keep my neighbors that think like me working. That's the American way IMO. I'm retired and don't have a lot of extra money just trying to live how I talk and what I believe in.
 
@Craig_VA and @DM~
Off Topic,
I worked in a factory making power cables and antenna cables (For TVs) and we would have orders come through that would have their tolerances “expanded” because they were higher volume orders.

On one model in particular I remember tolerances were no greater than .025 wide on the connector. Our machines were pretty beat so we had to be on top of our game to keep specs. I’d had whole orders come back because our machines would fluctuate and I’d get out of spec connectors.

When the Quality Control spec paper came with the new “model” tolerances were opened to .075. So we set the machines and let em roll. Never had a single cable come back from those orders! Out of spec pieces during that time for other orders would just get sorted into the “new model” orders.

I found out later that the assembler had Walmart pick up their brand, but Walmart had negotiated the price so low the assembler’s engineers had to loosen the specs across the board to keep it profitable.
So maybe not “Seconds” per their updated spec sheets. Any other day or order and those were seconds and QC crack downs. I do not miss that dang factory.

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I’m sure Walmart told Winchester we’ll stock your product but only for x amount. So Winchester lowers their quality to be able to fill that order for that price. To not hurt their other ammo models perceived quality they rename it Universal. I seen it happen before, I’m sure they still do it now. (Also FYI Black Friday TV’s are cheaper because they are actually cheaper. Waaaayyyy cheaper)
 
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I would say evidenced by the OP’s ammo having multiple bullet types and overall quality of those cartridges being all over the place the tolerances were for sure opened up. For ammunition that’s not good. For most other things? It mostly gets by unnoticed.
 
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I try not to buy Winchester gunfire ammo. It's my last choice. I prefer the federal copper plated 550 round bulk packs, red box. Cleanest 22 ammo I have shot
 
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