Rock Island still the default for a 1911 on a budget?

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I have been shooting a lot of 45ACP in my Springfield XDM in the last couple of years. Lots of fun, and I cast and load 200 grain SWCs for high accuracy at a low and full power charge. It is also a gun I am happy carrying in the foothills where I may encounter two or four legged predators. However, I do not own a 1911, so I am thinking this should be rectified. Laying out a grand isn't happening, so I need to look for value. I was thinking about this RIA: https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/35196

Is there something better for the money? I prize good sights and a good trigger.
 
Generally, I'd say Rock Island, ATI and Tisas in that order, if prices are the same. But for that, I mean the guns around $300. Your link goes to a $600 gun, at that price I'd look around a bit more.

I came across a Para Expert LNIB basically decked out the same, for $399.
 
There are several cheaper brands RIA being one. I think Springfield has their basic 1911 for around $500 now.

I got my first 1911 through Zenith, which is a importer, it was a Girsan MC1911C. Pretty nice but doesnt run 100%.

My second 1911 was a Ruger 10mm Target model.

The difference in every aspect is better in regards to the Ruger.

The Girsan was $370 and the Ruger was $780.

Ruger offers a standard .45 which I believe is more in the $5-600 range.

Personally I would spend a little more and get a name brand rather then a import. You dont have to spend $1k but theres a huge spread between that and $370.

Heck I've seen used Colts for under 600 bones.
 
OK, so I would buy an inexpensive RIA GI edition, but there is no way I could see the sights. What is a good choice for a 1911 with a decent trigger, works without a fuss, and has easily seen sights?
 
Ruger SR1911 is a solid choice and you know Ruger will take care of you if there’s an issue. RIA has a lot of happy customers as well though, and you can get one with nice sights, beaver tail and all the other popular options for a pretty reasonably price especially on the used market.
 
If you like Springfield I just saw a Springfield Armory Range Officer at gun.deals for about $100 more than you are looking at spending on that RIA. I would suggest you take your time & not get in a rush. Do your research. Since this Corona Virus thing started some gun prices have been temporarily inflated. Some things might be cheaper in a month or two. My only 1911 is the government sized Ruger but I'm pretty sure for $600-700 you can get something you will like & be happy with for a long time.
 
Research the Range officer I think you would be happy with it.

Edited to add: If you are patient & watch gun.deals & this & other forums you will see deals pop up.
 
OK, so I would buy an inexpensive RIA GI edition, but there is no way I could see the sights. What is a good choice for a 1911 with a decent trigger, works without a fuss, and has easily seen sights?
Should be able to find a good used RIA Tactical in 9MMS or 45 out there for under 500, I paid 400 for my officer 9 mm compact
20200405_174239.jpg then I slowly upgraded, grips, trigger work, really nice gun now and i also upgraded so i can shoot 45 now. Only took new slide, barrel, firing g pin, extractor and ejector...all cheap. I can switch between 9mm and 45 in a couple minutes. I like it. 9 mm Tactical has nice sites, 45 has GI sites, but I'm more of a point and shoot style,
 
Nothing wrong with a RIA 1911, I own several. I just looked at Buds and most are out of stock. If you can live without the fiber optic front sight, you can save $90 and get the RIA TAC.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product...d+fs+tac+45+acp+5+8+1+black+rubber+grip+black. Bud's cash price is $501

I have a RIA TAC that I bought about 14 years ago. It has never let me down and is pretty darn accurate. I have shot it beside other brands at double or triple the cost and the RIA did just as good if not better.

Oh and before anyone brings up slide to frame fit --- that doesn't matter as far as accuracy. Barrel to slide fit does. I carried enough GI 1911A1 pistols in the late 80's-early 90's that were your typical "rattle battle' pistols that still shot good with a very loose slide.
 
Are 1911s that much better now? 20 years ago a $1000 kimber was likely to not run, and a $500 gi model typically couldn't run through a mag without a lot of tinkering.
 
I've never had to tinker with any of my 1911's to get them to run. I do stick with ball/FMJ and hollow points with similar bullet shape that feed just fine with my full size and compact 3.5" 1911s. Good magazines makes a difference also. It doesn't matter if its a $300 1911 or a $3000 1911, cheap magazine will cause malfunctions.
 
Nothing wrong with a RIA 1911, I own several. I just looked at Buds and most are out of stock. If you can live without the fiber optic front sight, you can save $90 and get the RIA TAC.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/35190/rock+island+armory+rock+standard+fs+tac+45+acp+5+8+1+black+rubber+grip+black. Bud's cash price is $501

I have a RIA TAC that I bought about 14 years ago. It has never let me down and is pretty darn accurate. I have shot it beside other brands at double or triple the cost and the RIA did just as good if not better.

Oh and before anyone brings up slide to frame fit --- that doesn't matter as far as accuracy. Barrel to slide fit does. I carried enough GI 1911A1 pistols in the late 80's-early 90's that were your typical "rattle battle' pistols that still shot good with a very loose slide.
I had a rattle trap ruger 1911 commander that shot great too. Agree with that barrel tight/slide loose ...I believe that's how the government spec'ed them for the battlefield.
 
The only issue I have had with my Ruger was I kept getting hit in the head with spent brass. I changed the tension on the extractor & it has run like a top since.

If the sights are your primary concern just make sure whatever you are looking at buying is made in such a way that you will be able to change sights. Then you can set them up however you like.
 
If you watch for deals, you can score a "better pistol". In 1917 the local Cabelas has RIA 1911's for $400 and I had a $100 gift card to spend. I got to pick the "best" of three, and managed to select a RIA that was extremely tight in all respects and had a great trigger.

This is it with factory grips.

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I prefer cocobolo double diamond:

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the pistol had a magazine latching problem and RIA sent me a new magazine release which fixed the problem.

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The pistol shot low, the barrel severely leaded with cast bullets, and the slide recoiled hard. I sent it back to the factory complaining about this, and claimed it would not shoot straight. The pistol came back with a replacement barrel (I think) which still lead fouls, but the pistol shoots more or less to point of aim, and the factory target is better than my hold.

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I really like my RIA,it does what I want, one issue is that I have given up holstering a M1911 in condition one. I consider it unsafe, with a hammer balancing on a trigger sear, the series 70 pistol does not have a firing pin block, and a hard blows can, and have, sheared the hammer/trigger sear and caused accidental discharges.

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However, the original GI configuration was made to be carried hammer down on a round in the chamber, and this RIA does not have the later sights, such as Bomar's, and beavertails which block access to the hammer, making lowering the hammer difficult, and cocking the hammer difficult. This is a 1918 manufactured 1911 and it has wide hammer spurs and a minimum grip safety, to facilitate thumb cocking.

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My RIA goes bang and recently I was hitting my 50 yard target, 12 inch in diameter gong, about 50% of the time with irons. I checked the zero with various loads, and at seven yards, it more or less shoots to point of aim:

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This is not match accuracy, but it is totally sufficient for any self defense consideration.

However, if you look around, you will find bargins. A local gun store was selling these for $500!

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I installed cocobolo double diamond

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the Remington is a series 80, and so it has a firing pin block, which should prevent an accidental discharge if a blow shears the sear/hammer. Not that I am going to carry a 1911 cocked and locked. The firing pin block does create its own issues, I have had them drop down and jam the action, but overall it is better from accidental discharge viewpoint.

The Remington also shot low for me, maybe I have a consistent flinch, and I replaced the factory rear sight with a Colt sight I had taken off a Colt Combat Elite in the 1980's.

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I was aiming above the X and the pistol shot low with the Remington rear

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The Colt rear brought the point of impact with point of aim, more or less, and I am happy with the pistol. I will say the barrel in the 1911 R1 is better than the RIA and so are the sights. I got to pick the best out of three for tightness and trigger pull and my Remington is as tight as my Les Baer wadcutter. The barrel bushing is not as tight in the slide but this pistol is a fantastic deal for $500.
 
You can find good deals with a little luck if you want a step or 2 above the bare GI model. I found an R1 Enhanced for 600$ on consignment. Very much worth the extra. That's not to say I'd turn down a Rock Island, in fact if I decide to get a 9mm 1911 they are probably my budget option.
 
My TISAS A2 was about $360 back around early 2017, I think. Later, I got a Remington R1S (stainless) Enhanced Commander. That one ran me about $300 more. So, one grand brought both of them into my life. ;)
 
OK, so if I opportunistically watch for a deal (since this is obviously no rush), what am I looking for? How do you evaluate a used 1911?
 
Springfield Armory has all forged frames and slides. They can be found for around $600 or less. I would go that route. As you grow fonder of the 1911 it would give you a sound platform to build upon.
 
I don't own an RIA and "for me" I consider an RIA governmet model a waste of money... I would imediately want to upgrade it with better sites, trigger and beaver tail so I would have a lot more money into it than if I had just purchased one of their nicer models to begin with.

I own an XDs and XD mod 2 both of which I am very fond of and really appreciate as self defence and carry weapons. That said... yes, you really do need a 1911. I would reccomend looking at the Tac Ultra or Target versions of the RIA's.
 
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I really like my RIA,it does what I want, one issue is that I have given up holstering a M1911 in condition one. I consider it unsafe, with a hammer balancing on a trigger sear, the series 70 pistol does not have a firing pin block, and a hard blows can, and have, sheared the hammer/trigger sear and caused accidental discharges.

I have to disagree, sort of. The hammer is hardly balancing on the sear. It would take a heck of a whack to either totally rip the hammer hooks off the hammer or totally take off the nose of the sear on a 1911 making it fire from rest. Does your RIA hammer have a half cock notch? I think it’s far more likely that, without a firing pin safety or a lightened firing pin, that you could drop or hit it hard enough for inertia to take over and fire your gun.
 
Ive got a older match tactical 6" 10mm double stack and really like it. So much so im considering adding a .45 Tac ultra fs hc as well.
I prefer the bomar cut lpa target sight thats on my 6", but ive used those adjustable lpas that they are using now on a few guns and find them very acceptable.
The trigger on my match tactical is excellent also.
 
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