Strive to carry the handgun you would want anywhere, everywhere.

CDW4ME · Oct 24, 2020

Of the concealable handguns owned, strive to carry the one you would want anywhere, everywhere.
Whatever is carried where "anticipated threat" is greater, carry that; yes, even for a quick trip to the store.
This is the way.
You're welcome. :thumbup:

Trunk Monkey · Oct 24, 2020

Kleanbore · Oct 24, 2020

That is a fundamental tenet of risk management.

browningguy · Oct 24, 2020

I carry a single stack 380 when out and about in my suburb, if I go in to town a full size 9mm. Works for me.

CDW4ME · Oct 25, 2020

browningguy said:
I carry a single stack 380 when out and about in my suburb, if I go in to town a full size 9mm. Works for me.

Guessing nothing has happened yet that merited lethal self defense for you in the suburb.
So the people typically encountered in the suburb have not been a threat, as of yet.
Reasonable to assume that threats meriting use of lethal force may come from elsewhere to the suburb.
If lethal force merits a 9mm in town wouldn't that also be desired in the suburb. (Rhetorical question, cause I think it does).

Trunk Monkey · Oct 25, 2020

browningguy said:
I carry a single stack 380 when out and about in my suburb, if I go in to town a full size 9mm. Works for me.

I think the whole point of this discussion is while the likelihood of you running into a crackhead (or two) may be lower in your suburb (although that wasn't my experience when I lived in Houston) if it happens the threat level will be just as high. If you wouldn't want to face a mugger with your .380 in town you shouldn't be carrying it in your neighborhood either.

Speedo66 · Oct 25, 2020

I'm just going to say this to the OP:

Yes, you are correct, we should carry the best we have, and thank you for reminding us.

The reality, I wouldn't carry a heavy gun all the time, while I will pick up my light weight LCP.

Not the best choice, but it beats an empty pocket.

earlthegoat2 · Oct 25, 2020

You should really use the search feature to look up your own threads.

chicharrones · Oct 25, 2020

Trunk Monkey said:

Now you're talkin'!

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Trunk Monkey · Oct 25, 2020

chicharrones said:
Now you're talkin'!

More here https://armourersbench.com/2018/10/26/heckler-kock-mp5k-briefcase-gun/

When I was in the Army they actually issued our track drivers M3s. Everyone I spoke to that got to fire them so they were horribly inaccurate. If I remember right they didn't even have sights on them.

We had a guy in our unit who was a Welder /Machinist. I don't remember what his actual MOS designation was but the Army trained him to be a welder and to be a machinist (he's probably a retired millionaire now) but he said he could make an M3 for about 40 bucks

.455_Hunter · Oct 25, 2020

What the OP does not process is that your threat matrix changes based on situation, and it is impossible for one gun to meet all of those requirements.

This is true, regardless of defensive "expert" pontifications.

Trunk Monkey · Oct 25, 2020

.455_Hunter said:
What the OP does not process is that your threat matrix changes based on situation, and it is impossible for one gun to meet all of those requirements.

This is true, regardless of defensive "expert" pontifications.

How do you define the threat matrix?

AK103K · Oct 25, 2020

Trunk Monkey said:
When I was in the Army they actually issued our track drivers M3s. Everyone I spoke to that got to fire them so they were horribly inaccurate. If I remember right they didn't even have sights on them.

We had a guy in our unit who was a Welder /Machinist. I don't remember what his actual MOS designation was but the Army trained him to be a welder and to be a machinist (he's probably a retired millionaire now) but he said he could make an M3 for about 40 bucks

You hear this from most people who were never taught/trained to shoot one. Just look at how inaccurate 1911's were rumored to be, up until Jeff Cooper showed up anyway. :thumbup:

The M3's do have sights, and while they arent a precision gun, they arent inaccurate either. Single, aimed shots with one is easy. About the slowest cycling SMG you will shoot too.

.455_Hunter said:
What the OP does not process is that your threat matrix changes based on situation, and it is impossible for one gun to meet all of those requirements.

This is true, regardless of defensive "expert" pontifications.

Its true, but you still have to pick one that will cover as much possible. After that, everything else becomes a secondary and is added as needed.

My primary gun isnt a "critter" gun, its a people gun. And for most cases, even critters, at least up to and around people size, it will work fine.

If I go somewhere where I would be worried about bigger critters, Id have an appropriate gun for that, and on the outer most layer of whatever I was wearing. Id also still have my primary gun on me too.

.455_Hunter · Oct 25, 2020

Trunk Monkey said:
How do you define the threat matrix?

There are some parameters that can guide you needs:

- Threat assessment based on location. If am I working/hiking on or near my property, the highest threat is four-legged, specifically cats or bears. This is a concept that is foreign to many urban defensive experts who only validate two-legged threats. My choice in such a location is different than what I would select in town.

- Concealabilty based on environment. Once again, regardless of experts, your carry choice can be dictated by the degree of NPE. Not everyone can function in their job or required social environment carrying a full-size duty gun IWB. Everybody who carries a gun is not retired, self-employed, or able to stay in their bunker once it gets dark. A compact discreet carry gun is sometimes the only viable choice.

In some areas, you can get the trifecta of two-legged, four-legged, AND highly delayed LEO or medical response if they can even be contacted at all due to poor commo coverage (see my other recent scenario thread in S&T). That's were weapon choices get real interesting.

Trunk Monkey · Oct 25, 2020

.455_Hunter said:
There are some parameters that can guide you needs:

- Threat assessment based on location. If am I working/hiking on or near my property, the highest threat is four-legged, specifically cats or bears. This is a concept that is foreign to many urban defensive experts who only validate two-legged threats. My choice in such a location is different than what I would select in town.

- Concealabilty based on environment. Once again, regardless of experts, your carry choice can be dictated by the degree of NPE. Not everyone can function in their job or required social environment carrying a full-size duty gun IWB. Everybody who carries a gun is not retired, self-employed, or able to stay in their bunker once it gets dark. A compact discreet carry gun is sometimes the only viable choice.

In some areas, you can get the trifecta of two-legged, four-legged, AND highly delayed LEO or medical response if they can even be contacted at all due to poor commo coverage (see my other recent scenario thread in S&T). That's were weapon choices get real interesting.

I'm one of those people who usually can get away with a Glock 19 but I most often carry a Glock 26.

The only part of this I semi disagree with is the four legged threats. I live in Colorado too and I have had bear encounters. I have yet to run into a bear that I couldn't handle with UDAP. I carry a gun in the woods in case of an encounter with the crackheads who are out there cooking Meth.

.455_Hunter · Oct 25, 2020

Trunk Monkey said:
I'm one of those people who usually can get away with a Glock 19 but I most often carry a Glock 26.

The only part of this I semi disagree with is the four legged threats. I live in Colorado too and I have had bear encounters. I have yet to run into a bear that I couldn't handle with UDAP. I carry a gun in the woods in case of an encounter with the crackheads who are out there cooking Meth.

I also carry bear spray as a first respone when out and about on our foothills property area. I generally do back it up with some higher firepower, such as 4" 629 or 58. We definitely are in an area where garbage hungry bears have become very aggressive, and also have experienced mountain lions in our driveway on occasion. It's just a totally different world than many urban "experts" even comprehend.

Trunk Monkey · Oct 25, 2020

.455_Hunter said:
It's just a totally different world than many urban "experts" even comprehend.

I think you might be surprised what urban experts understand.

Trunk Monkey · Oct 25, 2020

Speedo66 · Oct 25, 2020

He's doing it wrong, you're supposed to fold the slice in half first and then eat it. No manners.

But he did eat it quickly, certainly scarfed it down a lot faster than I could, although when I was in college it might have been close..... lol

.455_Hunter · Oct 25, 2020

Trunk Monkey said:
I think you might be surprised what urban experts understand.

I am referring to individuals who completely discount the four-legged threat, not folks like you who have assessed it and prepare for it. You have determined that your UDAP and G26 are adequate for the scenarios you envision. Many self-anoited experts snicker at the prospect of even considering bears a realistic threat, and exisit solely in a world of convinience stores and ATMs.

Trunk Monkey · Oct 25, 2020

.455_Hunter said:
I am referring to individuals who completely discount the four-legged threat, not folks like you who have assessed it and prepare for it. You have determined that your UDAP and G26 are adequate for the scenarios you envision. Many self-anoited experts snicker at the prospect of even considering bears a realistic threat, and exisit solely in a world of convinience stores and ATMs.

I don't take my 26 off road. I think that would be for the 19 or maybe the S&W 4006.

But yeah, I consider a bear in my driveway to be an actual possibility

Trunk Monkey · Oct 25, 2020

Speedo66 said:
He's doing it wrong, you're supposed to fold the slice in half first and then eat it. No manners.

But he did eat it quickly, certainly scarfed it down a lot faster than I could, although when I was in college it might have been close..... lol

I'm envisioning a bear with heartburn. Having said that, bears and pizza seems to be a Colorado thing.

.455_Hunter · Oct 25, 2020

Trunk Monkey said:
I don't take my 26 off road. I think that would be for the 19 or maybe the S&W 4006.

But yeah, I consider a bear in my driveway to be an actual possibility

I was face-to-face with a mountain lion at age 10 while hiking with my friend and my dog. This was hundreds of yards away from my house and any accessible roads or help.

Such an experience tends to color your outlook on threat assessment.

AK103K · Oct 25, 2020

.455_Hunter said:
I am referring to individuals who completely discount the four-legged threat, not folks like you who have assessed it and prepare for it. You have determined that your UDAP and G26 are adequate for the scenarios you envision. Many self-anoited experts snicker at the prospect of even considering bears a realistic threat, and exisit solely in a world of convinience stores and ATMs.

I think a lot of people discount a lot of things, and seem to think the gun they carry, regardless what it is, is some sort of magic talisman. Just having it makes them safe.

44 or 32, how many actually practice for what they think they are going have to shoot, and in a manner that will give them a chance at prevailing there? I certainly dont see anyone shooting those types of guns like that.

Hold'em and squeeze'em, and its all good.

CDW4ME · Oct 25, 2020

Trunk Monkey said:
I think the whole point of this discussion is while the likelihood of you running into a crackhead (or two) may be lower in your suburb (although that wasn't my experience when I lived in Houston) if it happens the threat level will be just as high. If you wouldn't want to face a mugger with your .380 in town you shouldn't be carrying it in your neighborhood either.

Bingo.

I'm trying to encourage carrying better than "better than nothing".
Its likely the handgun carried into areas of perceived greater threat is the one that is easiest to shoot quick & accurate, most advantageous.
Defending your life is defending your life, regardless of location, strive to stack the odds in your favor with whatever pistol is most advantageous.

Advocating "do it right" is the purpose of the thread; there is no shortage of people (not Trunk Monkey) that frequently post the opposing view ...

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