How long does it take to break into a GunVault with hand tools?

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About ten minutes, as it turns out. The batteries died with no warning, I tore the place apart looking for they keys, and CCW qualification with that handgun is first thing in the morning.

I guess I'll weld the thing back together after I replace the batteries, but it just can't be considered anything more than a way to keep your kids away from your gun. As a theft deterrent, it's not terribly impressive.
 
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I know a guy who had a couple gun racks on the wall in a closet. Someone broke into his house and stole the guns on the bottom, apparently they couldn’t reach the ones on top. Quick in and quick out is sometimes their only priority.

They also ripped out a window unit to get in the house which was about 10’ from an unlocked door, my personal favorite party of this particular robbery was that he said they also stole his ear/nose hair trimmer.
Criminals, not known for their intelligence.


Of course, given enough time and the right tools any safe can be broken into.
 
Bolt them down also, from the inside. But no. They aren’t impressive. I’ve always thought they they could be much more harmful for the owner (if they can’t get inside) than for the potential perp who might steal it.

Most of my guns reside in a "real" safe which no one is taking unless they bring a crane. The GunVault pretty much was my "keep the gun away from curious kids" safe, and also traveled with us in the RV. The thing always did worry me, as I am the sort of codger who figures batteries will usually be dead when you most need them. And hey, how about that.

I think that I now am in the market for this sort of thing except with an analog "Simplex" push button lock. Anybody know of one?
 
Most locks & safes are to keep the honest people honest.
I bought a set of high priced cable locks for my hunting tree stands & when I went to take them down, on the first lock the key broke. I had more keys at home but that was 3 hours away. It only took me two min each lock to remove them with a channel lock plyers & a pair of side cutters. It's a real eye opener when you see how fast things can be removed when you don't care about the damage.
 
An FFDO (airline pilot)/ Federal Flight Deck Officer had the very small lockbox stolen from his home. It stores their HK USP .40 handgun, which is very carefully carried - always - with them during their working airline trips.

* They found the tough little box in a rural field not too far from Collierville TN (Memphis suburb), which had been stored in the much larger, lightweight :scrutiny: safe which had been 'liberated' from his home.

This happened while he attended his father's funeral. He didn't know about, or have anybody available to do >>>"funeral house-sitting (guarding)"<<<.
Burglars scan obituaries for relatives' names, towns etc.
 
I guess we're (I'm) talking about different things ...
GunVault seems to be a sort of "go away, too much trouble" and/or "you can't get in here kid." Aside from that, not much purpose. Clearly not a "vault," or safe. Not a theft deterrent, nor a fire retardant. Beyond that, for the money, not really sure of its purpose. Clearly not a gun safe. [shrug]
I guess as a quick access secure firearm location it works, but if the four rules are followed and untaught children are not in the mix it has its place :confused: Otherwise it's an impediment to access, and a daily carry is ... well, carried daily.

-jb, not for me though
 
My gun safe is on the fritz for the last couple years. I have to use the failsafe key that comes with it to manually open it because the batteries leaked all over the batt compartment rendering it completely inoperable.

For anyone who wants to know, Stack-On has horrendous customer service. I have emailed a half a dozen times or more in the last 2 years about buying or getting a new battery compartment sent to splice in and get it working again and haven't heard back from anybody. I suppose I should try the phone next but I have filled out the customer inquiry form so many times, it just bugs me no one has reached out.
 
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About ten minutes, as it turns out. The batteries died with no warning, I tore the place apart looking for they keys, and CCW qualification with that handgun is first thing in the morning.

I guess I'll weld the thing back together after I replace the batteries, but it just can't be considered anything more than a way to keep your kids away from your gun. As a theft deterrent, it's not terribly impressive.
So easy, even a child can do it-


Or, you could spend $30 for a tool to open the lock


Or...
 
How long? Not very long if the safe is in a hardware store filled with power tools. It happened at my brother's store and they were there for a long time. They went through the bottom with the saw but the sides weren't any thicker. I've got it now and keep it out of sight(locked)and know given enough time, tools and determination it would be breached. It serves it's purpose and shows I took reasonable care to secure my guns should I ever have to report them stolen.
 
It's a real eye opener when you see how fast things can be removed when you don't care about the damage.

I make half a fine living out of it.:D

Humans don’t believe me when I say my team and I can disassemble (I don’t like the word demolish*, half the stuff we use for temporary, emergencies or donate to Habitat For Humanity) a sixteen hundred square foot ranch style home and remove everything to the concrete slab in two days.

It just doesn’t take long to disassemble things. It takes time to put them together right and have everything fit. It takes zero time to remove them.

*I do laugh at the “Demo Day” stuff on TV.:)
It takes so much longer to smash everything into tiny bits with a sledge and use shovels to pick it all up.:p They always have the nicest sawzall setting there, as some poor laborer is smashing the wall to splinters.
We cut our walls in half and stack them in the truck or container. They fit better, and create less dust, you don’t have to pull out wire or conduit. The big wire slides right out after you cleve the whole wall.;)
We recycle nearly everything.
When I pop CMUs(concrete block) with a bar and carry one in each hand out, the new bees stop smashing them up into the wheel barrow. Well, the smart ones do...:evil:
Of course my favorite part is building anew, where once stood blight and rot. Usually a factory steel building, unfortunately, we need stores and offices too.

But, I digress.

There is no replacement for plate steel and concrete. But as it stands, that only buys one the most time...
Everything can be disassembled.




Dang! Now I’ve got me paranoid about my safe.:scrutiny:
Maybe I’ll build a pantry cabinet around it. Nobody steals cake mix, do they?:confused:
 
Totally dependent on the safe!
Mine is 750 lbs bone empty! Put shelving in it, than the goodies and it is over 1000 lbs/ 1/4" sides, top and bottom, 5/8 around the locking mechanism!. Bolted to the floor ! I put whatever in there when I am not home and have whatever. on me when I am home.. A little more trouble than one of those " mail boxes " but way more secure.
 
Well, maybe why to have just a key lock instead of electronic gizmo(even with key backup)..One key put 'away' where you can find it, the other on your key chain....:)
They typically want a house that looks good for a quick grab, in and out. Usually people aren't up to the task of setting up in the house with cutting tools to enter a safe, they will take the safe with em if feasible.

What he said...
 
One of these with the right blade will open pretty much anything.
We have a few of those! You’ll need a fiberglass abrasive disk for the steel. The best part is, if you’re careful, the drywall inside keeps the sparks from harming the firearms!:evil:
Who cares if its loud?
Yes they are! And they’re loud too!:D
One learns to love the smell of two-stroke and abrasive wheel.( Not really.)

We have an old one that’s a hundred CC’s. They will also burn a hole in your pants from the shower of fire, so you’ll need to size up the mark, as well as case the place...:rofl:


Even these are nothing more than a spruced up Liberty, with a fancy, and heavy, door.
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Hmm, supposed to be a picture of a RhinoSafe, not a link, oh well.
 
We have an old one that’s a hundred CC’s. They will also burn a hole in your pants from the shower of fire, so you’ll need to size up the mark, as well as case the place...:rofl:
LOL. Been there, done that! Burned a hole through my pants, the pocket, and burned a couple of bills in my pocket cutting off some steel railings on a wall. Was thinking something smelled different. :p
 
Safes and related security closure stuff is rarely as "theft proof" as the folks who sell the gear will do their best to.... sell the gear....

Many years ago while I was the property room custodian at my 100 man department... a small safe (about 24 x 24") was entered into property and I was asked to get it opened - supposedly it had papers that concerned an ongoing criminal operation... Our fire department volunteered to chop it for me (fire guys really are nothing but kids when it comes to cutting through stuff...). I thought that was a bit much so I got on the phone and called a couple of locks and safes outfits here in paradise (south Florida) and found one that actually carried the model of safe I had - then went to visit with paper and pencil. The little old Cuban type gentleman that was their expert showed me the exact same model and told me exactly where to drill to be able to manipulate the dial from outside the safe until it would open and how to open it - my first time out... Worked like a charm and I was able to crack my first (and only...) safe with an ordinary half inch drill and a screwdriver... No, this was not a high security safe...

The best part? The old boy that was the expert? He was the Watergate burglars' entry man and safe expert... He'd long before finished his time and subsequent probation then gone back to what he knew how to do.... I remember him fondly - he was an old fashioned gentleman in every sense of the word (until Nixon's men recruited him for a "special job").
 
Gunvault also let me down years ago. No more battery operated "safes" for me. As others have said, I like a Simplex lock now. Yes, someone can sit there and do all the possible combos of a Simplex if they have the time and are that person.
 
I have one of those that I keep on the top shelf of my gun safe that I keep important papers in. Mine uses a key and I could probably open it with a large screwdriver. Its more for organization than security.
 
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