Don't understand the 9mm 1911.

Neither did I till shooting one !
I now own one and love to shoot it , 9mm is easy to reload and still cheaper than other calibers .

I don't understand the existence / popularity of 9mm for any gun.

LightninST said:

Neither did I till shooting one !
I now own one and love to shoot it , 9mm is easy to reload and still cheaper than other calibers .

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Agreed. Traded into one more or less unintentionally and fell in love, don't shoot my .45 much anymore.

As for the OP, can't say I understand the point of starting a thread just to pick a fight.

Edit:. In case the thread is serious, it really makes the aluminum framed 1911 a joy to shoot, and shoot fast. .45 in an aluminum commander, officer or CCO is a bit of a chore keeping on target rapid fire, harder to keep tight groups and shoot quickly. 9mm it's a breeze and 10+1 only weighs a few oz more than a Glock 19 for EDC

My favorite guns to carry and shoot are all 9mm 1911s....virtually all in either "commander" or "officer" size and sporting alloy frames. Sweet guns all.

BOARHUNTER

I don’t find the 1911 a particularly reliable platform in something other than 45 ACP. It’s why I stay away from it.

Hard to justify messing around with it when a Glock 26 or P226 is always 100% right out the box.

The 9mm 1911 - Good trigger, light recoil, cheap ammo.

It's not my choice, but I understand why somebody would like them.

jeff-10 said:

I don’t find the 1911 a particularly reliable platform in something other than 45 ACP. It’s why I stay away from it.

Hard to justify messing around with it when a Glock 26 or P226 is always 100% right out the box.

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My Glock 26 had more failures than my 9mm 1911 had, more rounds through the 1911 too (5k+).

Example of 2, but still.

brutus51 said:

[QUOTE="JR24, post: 11807108, member: 162938"
In case the thread is serious, it really makes the aluminum framed 1911 a joy to shoot, and shoot fast. .45 in an aluminum commander, officer or CCO is a bit of a chore keeping on target rapid fire, harder to keep tight groups and shoot quickly. 9mm it's a breeze and 10+1 only weighs a few oz more than a Glock 19 for EDC

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The thread is serious, my argument is that the 9mm is anemic for the platform.
My aluminum frame Dan Wesson Guardian in 38 Super does everything you mention above just 200fps. faster.[/QUOTE]

Ok, that makes sense.

.38 Super is more expensive, only really reaches its potential to reloaders, and components are harder to come by.

So, 9mm 1911s exist for non reloaders who want a non-big bore option, especially in aluminum frames.

(I was going to get a .38 Super barrel for my Valkyrie CCO before this nonsense took over)

Edit: also the jury is still out on what if any benefit that extra 200 fps gives, lucky gunners long range experiments with the .357 Sig seems to dispel long range advantage (rapid speed drop off and HP designed to open at higher fps). Penetration? Perhaps? Accuracy with 9mm in my experience has been just fine out to 50 yards.

brutus51 said:

Why when the platform offers .45ACP, 10mm, 40S&W and America's answer to the punybellum the .38Super, just don't get it.

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Shoot a Commander in 9mm, it'll change your mind. I'm not a huge fan of the caliber either, but there are two 9mm handguns I want;
This one, my best friend inherited when his Dad died. I will never get that particular gun, but I do want a Lightweight Commander 9mm:



And either a G19 or a Taurus G2c.

9mm in 1911 is affordable and recoil is more manageable.I shoot both but 9mm more often.

One thing I do have in common with the OP, I am not posting here to make friends. I have been a competitive shooter and pistol coach for almost four decades and in those years I have noticed that there is only a very small number of shooters that can appreciate an accurate gun, since they simply lack skill and understanding of the basics of pistol craft.
I am a firearms industry insider and recently got a 9mm 1911 with a six inch barrel in that was made by Nowlin Sr.. I handled the gun and was impressed with the quality and tight tolerances, it made my Swiss P210-6 almost look crude. I shot the gun and found it to perform incredibly well and made it mine.



Why in the world did so many international competitiors like the Hämmerli P240 in .32 S&W Long WC when the .38 S&W Special could do the same at 200 fps more??? And a huge gun it is, bigger then a P210! Maybe they are just ignorant, or could the initial question in this thread have been that?

Shrug. I have 1911's in 9mm, 40 caliber, and 45acp.

They're all fun to shoot.

I'm not sure what's to dislike about the 9mm. It holds more bullets and makes a slightly smaller hole.

Some days I feel like shooting one caliber, some days another.

My first 1911 was a Spanish Star Super in 9mm Largo, and later a Star BM. What can I say, I love it!

Lots of snobs here.

Want more power from your 9mm? Shoot 9mm +P+.

Have a ramped barrel? Shoot 9 Major. It's easy to get 115s to 1500+ fps. 124s to 1400+ fps. 147s at ~1200 fps.
factory 9 Major in a 1911: https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2020/1/6/review-everglades-9-major-ammunition/
handload 9 Major in a 1911: https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2020/4/28/accuracy-of-9-major-handloads/

The 1911 is one of the best gun designs on the planet. Why not have one in any caliber you desire!? You're not just shooting a 9mm, you're shooting a 1911!

I took my new Commander to the range , one of my older shooting buddies said quote
“ a 9mm 1911 that is just sacrilegious “. Then he shot a mag or so of 9mm 124gr berrys hbrn .
Quote “ that is one Sweet shooting gun “

JR24 said:

The thread is serious, my argument is that the 9mm is anemic for the platform.
My aluminum frame Dan Wesson Guardian in 38 Super does everything you mention above just 200fps. faster.

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.38 Super is more expensive, only really reaches its potential to reloaders, and components are harder to come by.
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The boutique manufacturers make reasonable healthy 38 Super ammo. Some places load Major Power factor 38 Super ammo if you're looking for heavy stuff.

PzGren said:

I am a firearms industry insider . . .

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What does that translate into? Thanks.

IMO the benefit of 9mm is capacity, so I can see the allure of the 2011, but a 9mm 1911 holds no interest for me. Not when there are so many great nines out there with better capacity. YMMV

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Why when the platform offers .45ACP, 10mm, 40S&W and America's answer to the punybellum the .38Super, just don't get it.

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Play gun games where they have the advantage over all the others, not just from a competitive angle but from a cost one as well and it might make more sense to you.

Even if you cast your own, 115 + 115 = 230...

fxvr5 said:

.38 Super is more expensive, only really reaches its potential to reloaders, and components are harder to come by.

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The boutique manufacturers make reasonable healthy 38 Super ammo. Some places load Major Power factor 38 Super ammo if you're looking for heavy stuff.[/QUOTE]

True, I didn't factor in Buffalo Bore or Underwood.

To be fair, military 9x19 came around at a time when the "big" police caliber was .32acp (and much of Europe was toting around .25acp).

.45acp in many ways is an outgrowth of where the .45 scholfield meant to go, but didn't.

Just as easy to ask why were there so many .38 caliber pistol rounds out there.