Reloading Presses, Demand
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Before all of this started, my neighbor asked me to teach him how to reload. So, I ran him through reloading boot camp. The verdict by him at the end was that it was just too complicated and nitpicky and needed all of this stuff and you had to pay attention every single minute. He decided to just run factory through his guns. Fast forward to yesterday when he asked me if I have seen any factory 243 for his recently bought Ruger Precision Rifle. NOPE. I haven't been paying attention to factory ammo at all. Why? My guns have rarely, if ever, had factory ammo in them. He knows that I load 243, but he is smart enough not to ask. Good thing because he sure wouldn't like the answer.
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Absolutely ridiculous. This is another one of those "oh, you didnt learn from every single other shortage, shame on you!" posts.
The reality is, brand new shooters who want a press and some components dont really understand why they cant find it, and being new, there was no "foresight" to be had.
In spite of the shortages, some people don't get the word. I picked up 14 rounds of 300 Win Mag brass, a couple of handfuls of 30-06 brass, and a pretty good bunch of 223 and 9mm brass the other day from some people that shot it up and left their brass. I guess they haven't heard that they will play hell trying to replace that ammo.
Swampman
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Seriously?
I have a pretty good understanding of food production, distribution and digestion.
That didn't keep me from damn near running out of toilet paper a while back...
Mark_Mark
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2020 is full of shortage
2021 is full of deals!
Mn Fats
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I seriously doubt you'll find any deals in 2021 (could have missed the sarcasm?). It takes awhile for these companies to catch up. Massive backorders throughout the industry.
kmw1954
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"Foresight"; an act or power of Foreseeing. From Webster
I have been shooting a long time and for a long time my interest was strictly with owning and shooting hand guns. No interest in long guns as I am not a hunter so I felt no need for one. That was until I actually started working at a range were I would spend whole days around long guns and long range shooting. So much so that I became fascinated with the sport. Once again to a point that last August I finally went out and purchased a Savage 223 as an entry lever rifle. By this time we were already in the throws of a shortage but I bought a rifle anyways.
With this perspective there is no way one could "Foresee" the need to stock up on powders and primers before the fact. Remember at the time before this started there was no Need for rifle primers and powders. Though I do have enough pistol primers and powders to last me until around 2023 at currant usage. Then also at that time I doubt many thought that this would continue as long as it has.
Now I can Foresee gasoline prices climbing back to the $3.00 per gallon range but I am not rushing out to fill 55gal barrels either.
I have been shooting a long time and for a long time my interest was strictly with owning and shooting hand guns. No interest in long guns as I am not a hunter so I felt no need for one. That was until I actually started working at a range were I would spend whole days around long guns and long range shooting. So much so that I became fascinated with the sport. Once again to a point that last August I finally went out and purchased a Savage 223 as an entry lever rifle. By this time we were already in the throws of a shortage but I bought a rifle anyways.
With this perspective there is no way one could "Foresee" the need to stock up on powders and primers before the fact. Remember at the time before this started there was no Need for rifle primers and powders. Though I do have enough pistol primers and powders to last me until around 2023 at currant usage. Then also at that time I doubt many thought that this would continue as long as it has.
Now I can Foresee gasoline prices climbing back to the $3.00 per gallon range but I am not rushing out to fill 55gal barrels either.
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your guess is as good as my. and my guess is based on feelings. and my feelings are usually wrong
STOP OVER PAYING PEOPLE!
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Presidential elections and thier candidates give rise to "need" or panic buying. Wether its justified or not, people get the spooks.
New shooters are generally oblivious to this, unless they have a family of shooters around them, then they get keyed in.
But the blanket statements like "hey, I'm stocked up, learn more better" disregard the new guy/gal that's getting into guns and finds the shelves are empty and hops on to the greatest most friendly gun site on the web and sees "oh you didnt learn? Well, I did. I actually came out the womb with a press and components" isn't helpful to anyone.
Sorry for the rant. I'm loaded up with components until I die. And maybe even after that for my son. But there's some self righteous "I told ya so" crap that happens everytime in these threads.
Edit: Yes, gasoline prices will go back to Obama days. Or worse.
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D.B. Cooper
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Did he have to run laps around the reloading room with the loading press over his head every time he made a mistake?
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Especially young people. I ran into a young man (20s) at Cabela's at the start of all this back in June. he shelves were already devoid of self defense ammo. The young man asked if something had happened at the factory (or something oblivious like that). He had no idea that the nation was on fire.
No, the press is bolted down and there isn't any running room. Pushups on the other hand..........
P5 Guy
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Factory crimp dies are more consistent and some of us seat and crimp in different steps.
BCR#1
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You won't ever crush a shoulder using one is the main reason I use the Lee. I think all rifle die sets should include one.
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Blue68f100
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That's only for the bottle neck Rifle dies. Pistol dies are different. And a lot of users use them to fix there ammo that will not pass the pluck test. I look at this as someone that does not know how to setup his dies properly. Been hand loading for over 4 decades have not had the need for one or SB/under size dies.
Catpop
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My last order from Dillon arrived in about 30 days. I was happy.
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That’s the thing, while I would certainly sell my Lyman turret or RCBS RC for $300-400, I would never have bought either at those prices.
If they decide on setting at insane prices because there are a few desperate people that will pay them, they are going to need a big warehouse to store them in as they trickle out the door.
Not to mention historically once things get back to normal there are a lot of armchair “investors” start selling stuff off because the value keeps going down on their investment but the interest on their credit card keeps making the cost to them go up. That’s the “I paid $2000 for this AR 6 months ago but will let it go for $800.” Threads.
kmw1954
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I see this statement made many times and my thought is always the same, "Well aint you just Special!".
I use one for just one certain pistol that is problematic. I prefer to use that die on those rounds rather than send the barrel out for alteration. You may not agree with this thinking and I really don't care, Why because it's not your gun.
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Exactly. With 8M+ new gun owners this year that have no idea that there are ammo shortages or what normal prices are, there is now way for them to have prepared for this. You don't know what you don't know.
To be honest, all these ammo shortages don't make much sense. There are no other industries I can think of where if demand goes through the roof, manufacturing doesn't pick up to close the shortfall. Even when toilet paper went crazy toward the beginning of COVID, you were still able to get some if you needed, and it didn't take long for things to be restored. Sadly, it will be the downfall of the industry because many of these 8M+ new gunowners (and probably many existing gun owners) will get fed up with the situation and move on to other hobbies. Seriously, who wants to have to buy and store a 5 year to lifetime supply just because the manufacturers aren't nimble enough to handle the ebbs and flows of demand?
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Over the past 10-15 years I’ve had the pleasure to bring a few new reloaders into the hobby. Today they have all thanked me several times for helping them to learn to reload. One of them is running short on Primers and I will properly help him out because I can. They are appreciative ! Their investment has gained 3X value.
One the other hand I’m sad that there were many others who did not want to reload because it wasn’t fast enough, took to long... etc.
Some of you might remember posts in the reloading section where the new generation asked “ So how many rounds can you reload in an hour ?”
My answer was the same, If you don’t have time to reload, don’t do it ! (Lots of kabooms back then also.)
Go drive as fast as you can and buy ammo !
I wonder what those impatient people are shooting these days ?
Stay healthy n be safe, Mike
One the other hand I’m sad that there were many others who did not want to reload because it wasn’t fast enough, took to long... etc.
Some of you might remember posts in the reloading section where the new generation asked “ So how many rounds can you reload in an hour ?”
My answer was the same, If you don’t have time to reload, don’t do it ! (Lots of kabooms back then also.)
Go drive as fast as you can and buy ammo !
I wonder what those impatient people are shooting these days ?
Stay healthy n be safe, Mike
I bought a 6 hole rcbs turret off local trader in new condition for $225 with a Lyman powder drop. Very happy. Need to get some of my old ones out and get them up on eBay.
I probably have 10 presses easy. I wish I had a scale and powder drop to go with them all.
Pretty sure I still have a CH 444 unless I sold it last year.
I probably have 10 presses easy. I wish I had a scale and powder drop to go with them all.
Pretty sure I still have a CH 444 unless I sold it last year.
Jimfern
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I suspect if any stimulus money gets distributed, it will drive prices higher for a short period of time.
rfwobbly
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Have you looked on Ebay recently ? Used Dillon 550's are starting at $900. New Dillon 750's start at $1700.
It's just crazy.
It's just crazy.
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P5 I also seat and crimp in two steps. I do not crimp my 223 rounds but that is my choice. Straight wall pistol gets my Redding seat die and then the Redding crimp die and it seems to work fine. Seems that the Lee crimp die crushes the whole round to make it fit and function. I got a pretty good PM from another member about the need for the lee crimp die.
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