Compare that to the Ratzeburg versions - and under Graf v. Bernstorff and his outsourcing Ratzeburg Korths had enough problems then, too.
Can you elaborate?
Compare that to the Ratzeburg versions - and under Graf v. Bernstorff and his outsourcing Ratzeburg Korths had enough problems then, too.
Accuracy is only one of the assets of these high end guns. I would suspect most owners don't shoot competitively.
Accuracy and value justifying the price
Can you elaborate?
I think you might be able to find the info on the internet, Michael Zeleny may have posted some of that history. Graf v. Bernstorff went into bankruptcy after outsourcing more work than Willi had done and he pulled many people down with him. He lost his castle over that. He had little experience with manufacturing and even the samples of the barrel sleeve he gave to a sub contractor was out of spec.
I spent over a decade researching Ratzeburg Korths and found most subcontractors and also talked to the last two master gun smiths that worked in the second Ratzeburg factory. I also know the Industriemeister personally that had gotten the out of spec barrel sleeve sample from Korth.
In 2008 Korth had two certified (not self proclaimed) master gunsmiths and a secretary in the plant and sold under a dozen guns a month, making it more of a custom shop than a factory. The cylinders were outsourced, the barrels bought by the obvious quality manufacturer. Nill hade the grips since 1969 and the wood was bought from Theo. Nagel in Rothenburgsort. Bluing was outsourced and so was hardening, using the same company that SIG Sauer in Eckernförde used.
It's part of the OPs question...
I may be just petty here but I really do not like the Nighthawk logo on the Korth. Why did they need to do that? They are the importer, nothing more.
Interesting, what are the manufacture years to avoid?
I hope that she also got you that missing grip bushing.Totally agree. MMBI has a German partner that is a Korth dealer. He is on EGUN. She got one for me and put her import mark under the barrel lug.
I did it because it's what I wanted.
I never said they weren't . I was commenting on the part that I have knowledge of. That being said, my point seems completely relevant to the conversation . What's your point?Quality, trigger feel and value were the other question criteria, not just accuracy.
It's a requirement of federal law. Firearm importers must mark the guns they import.I may be just petty here but I really do not like the Nighthawk logo on the Korth. Why did they need to do that? They are the importer, nothing more.
I hope that she also got you that missing grip bushing.
I never said they weren't . I was commenting on the part that I have knowledge of. That being said, my point seems completely relevant to the conversation . What's your point?
It's a requirement of federal law. Firearm importers must mark the guns they import.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firear...rms-ammunition-firearms-verification-overview
Name of Importer
City & State of the Importer
- Must be conspicuously engraved, cast or stamped (impressed) on the firearm frame, receiver, barrel or slide
- For firearms imported after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting or stamping (impressing) of the importer’s name must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch
- Must be conspicuously engraved, cast or stamped (impressed) on the firearm frame, receiver, barrel or slide
- For firearms imported after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting or stamping (impressing) of the importer’s city and state must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch
There is a minimum size and depth of 0.0625 and 0.003, which is actually very small. The now commonly used laser engraver can be set to precise sizes and depth.I think the question was, do the import marks have to be that huge, a little more discreteness would be nice.
You mean it would be nice if they were inconspicuous? I suppose it would.
I guess they're going to the trouble of importing and marketing them, so Nighthawk wants their name on it. Who cares?
Do you really think people look at the new Korths and are turned off by the Nighthawk name and not the rest of it? Seriously.Nighthawk should, if the prominence of it turns off potential buyers.
Taken as a whole, I don't see what the big deal is. If they were made and finished like the older guns pictured above, I could understand it.