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If you have any doubt that The Remington Outdoor Company and it family of brands are in any way attached to the what they were before the second bankruptcy this should end that.

That is not to say some of the "brands" might not get better. Here'S looking at you Ruglin, and Barnes is still doing its things and if anything is better with Sierra backing them. But the bankruptcy that ended Remington ended nearly all the brands and their history (good or bad), and some of them had ended before the second bankruptcy. They are now for the most part simply names and logos other company have bought and will use to earn loyalty from customerS that have not been paying attention closely to the firearms market.

I would bet not one person from original DPMS from Osseo/St Cloud or the transplanted version in Huntsville (that had a fair number of St Cloud transplants) was involved in that AK in anyway.

I really hate the way most modern gun companies do this with old brand names, but maybe I am paying too much attention...
 
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https://atlanticfirearms.com/dpms-ak-47-anvil-forged-classic-plum-poly-rifle

If you have any doubt that The Remington Outdoor Company and it family of brands are in any way attached to the what they were before the second bankruptcy this should end that.

That is not to say some of the "brands" might not get better. Here'S looking at you Ruglin, and Barnes is still doing its things and if anything is better with Sierra backing them. But the bankruptcy that ended Remington ended nearly all the brands and their history (good or bad), and some of them had ended before the second bankruptcy. They are now for the most part simply names and logos other company have bought and will use to earn loyalty from customerS that have not been paying attention closely to the firearms market.

I would bet not one person from original DPMS from Osseo/St Cloud or the transplanted version in Huntsville (that had a fair number of St Cloud transplants) was involved in that AK in anyway.

I really hate the way most modern gun companies do this with old brand names, but maybe I am paying too much attention...
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Whether it has anything to do with dpms or not. I would still look into it if I was in the market for an AK.
I don't get hung up on brand names for the most part.
For me guns are like trucks. I buy what will do the job well at the lowest price point from an American company.
 
Bfh_auto said:
Whether it has anything to do with dpms or not. I would still look into it if I was in the market for an AK.
I don't get hung up on brand names for the most part.
For me guns are like trucks. I buy what will do the job well at the lowest price point from an American company.
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I agree for the most part. Brands don't mean that much as long as it's good quality for the price. But with some brands I do give them some loyalty and follow their evolution for better or worse so my issue here is this new DPMS has nothing to do with the old DPMS other than the name and logo. (irrespective of if the new is better or worst than the old) The old DPMS only did ARs (AR-15, LR308 & GII) and not much else. All of a sudden a new company buys the name and slaps it on an AK and expect the buyer to believe this is a DPMS AK that will be as good (or bad) as the DPMS they bought three years ago and other than name and logo there is no association.

I guess it's one thing to buy a company and keep it relatively intact, most of the workers and equipment continue to make a particular product though new owner may change the direction of the company's evolution. That is very different than, like in the case of DPMS, the former owners closed the business, sold off all the assets and capital equipment, let all the people go, and just sold the name and logo and existing design data to a new company. No continuity. We could make a similar observation about Remington and what it did to Marlin, and what Ruger is doing to Marlin again.

That lack of continuity is what bothers me, though it probably does not bother all, nor should it. -rambling
 
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I agree for the most part. Brands don't mean that much as long as it's good quality for the price. But with some brands I do give them some loyalty and follow their evolution for better or worse so my issue here is this new DPMS has nothing to do with the old DPMS other than the name and logo. (irrespective of if the new is better or worst than the old) The old DPMS only did ARs (AR-15, LR308 & GII) and not much else. All of a sudden a new company buys the name and slaps it on an AK and expect the buyer to believe this is a DPMS AK that will be as good (or bad) as the DPMS they bought three years ago and other than name and logo there is no association.

I guess it's one thing to buy a company and keep it relatively intact, most of the workers and equipment continue to make a particular product though new owner may change the direction of the company's evolution. That is very different than, like in the case of DPMS, the former owners closed the business, sold off all the assets and capital equipment, let all the people go, and just sold the name and logo and existing design data to a new company. No continuity. We could make a similar observation about Remington and what it did to Marlin, and what Ruger is doing to Marlin again.

That lack of continuity is what bothers me, though it probably does not bother all, nor should it. -rambling
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I agree with you mostly. I personally am not that impressed by the old Marlins.
 
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Bfh_auto said:
Whether it has anything to do with dpms or not. I would still look into it if I was in the market for an AK.
I don't get hung up on brand names for the most part.
For me guns are like trucks. I buy what will do the job well at the lowest price point from an American company.
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Same. Except my Ford sucked, so I bought a Mercedes. And now I buy foreign.
 
mcb said:
https://atlanticfirearms.com/dpms-ak-47-anvil-forged-classic-plum-poly-rifle

If you have any doubt that The Remington Outdoor Company and it family of brands are in any way attached to the what they were before the second bankruptcy this should end that.

That is not to say some of the "brands" might not get better. Here'S looking at you Ruglin, and Barnes is still doing its things and if anything is better with Sierra backing them. But the bankruptcy that ended Remington ended nearly all the brands and their history (good or bad), and some of them had ended before the second bankruptcy. They are now for the most part simply names and logos other company have bought and will use to earn loyalty from customerS that have not been paying attention closely to the firearms market.

I would bet not one person from original DPMS from Osseo/St Cloud or the transplanted version in Huntsville (that had a fair number of St Cloud transplants) was involved in that AK in anyway.

I really hate the way most modern gun companies do this with old brand names, but maybe I am paying too much attention...
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I think you will find the same thing happens in other industry's. You build the value of the brand & sell it to the highest bidder. Todays gun companies aren't run by gun people. They are run by shareholders & investment firms. They do not care about the next generation of arms.
 
Buy American!! Unless it’s an AK lol! Seriously, I took a gamble on a K-USA KR-9S, and can’t complain. Very strange the DPMS AK ad will not tell you where it’s made. If it was an import, they sure as hell would brag it up, so it’s probably US made…That info is best left out of the ad, lol!
 
JDGray said:
Buy American!! Unless it’s an AK lol! Seriously, I took a gamble on a K-USA KR-9S, and can’t complain. Very strange the DPMS AK ad will not tell you where it’s made. If it was an import, they sure as hell would brag it up, so it’s probably US made…That info is best left out of the ad, lol!
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I can vouch for the PSA AK-V as well. Granted 9mm is far easier on trunnions and bolts than 5.45 and 7.62x39.

For a fully sized AK, gotta be a import for me
 
Bcwitt said:
I think you will find the same thing happens in other industry's. You build the value of the brand & sell it to the highest bidder. Todays gun companies aren't run by gun people. They are run by shareholders & investment firms. They do not care about the next generation of arms.
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I’d disagree. There are many passionate gun people running several firearms companies today. PSA is definitely one of them.
 
ColoradoMinuteMan said:
I’d disagree. There are many passionate gun people running several firearms companies today. PSA is definitely one of them.
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And yet PSA just slapped DPMS brand name and logo on an AK. :confused: They may be passionate gun people but slapping the DPMS brand on a AK is showing us they bought something they don't know the history of, or understand how best to use it.
 
I have a DPMS branded single shot lower. When I hear the brand name, I think AR and NOT AK. I hope they do well with their purchase (of the DPMS Name), it is after all just a name, but with history behind it. And AK is not part of that history.
 
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I am sad to see trusted brands of anything bought out and the good name slapped unto typical corner cutting mass produced stuff. The name no longer means anything.
 
PSA AK 103 - Over Now! - YouTube


* I don't know which model or generation PSA AK 103 / "DPMS" was described by the OP. Whether or not this 103's quality is the same, maybe some of You guys know :scrutiny:. This link is for the benefit of whoever " out there". is interested. I have ' no dog in the fight ', and already own three imported AKMs (latest is the excellent ZPAP, nib in August).

But with the 103 in this video, the steel used in the bolt, bolt carrier and trunnion etc appears to be of a high grade, with very good quality control during the rifle's assembly.
This seems to be after 2,500 or so rounds. ?

:) My basic suggestion is to verify that a potential buyer for any semi-auto gun in 7.62x39 - üüüü. already has an adequate supply of ammo üüüü - (for his/her unique objectives) before buying such a rifle in this chambering.
 
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Not sure who is making this for DMPS, but I'll pass on this. A hard pass. And though Atlantic is good for standing by when there is a problem, I really question the direction AA is going - more questionable product, at more premium pricing.
 
mcb said:
And yet PSA just slapped DPMS brand name and logo on an AK. :confused: They may be passionate gun people but slapping the DPMS brand on a AK is showing us they bought something they don't know the history of, or understand how best to use it.
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DPMS hasn’t had a fantastically positive reputation of any kind for the last decade. PSA has been wildly successful, and personally I hope they succeed. You seem to be down on anything related to any Remington brand in my experience due to whatever bad blood you’ve had.
 
ColoradoMinuteMan said:
DPMS hasn’t had a fantastically positive reputation of any kind for the last decade. PSA has been wildly successful, and personally I hope they succeed. You seem to be down on anything related to any Remington brand in my experience due to whatever bad blood you’ve had.
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This really had nothing to do with DPMS's former reputation good or bad. That could be the best AK on the market and it is still silly/stupid to buy the DPMS brand and use it to sell AKs.

Imaging if Ruger's first Marlin rifle is a metric pattern FAL.

Actually I was fairly pro Remington up until the the new leadership came in after the first bankruptcy. They had a chance to save the company after that first bankruptcy and squandered the opportunity.
 
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