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I’m proud to say that I live on the bank for the mighty Columbia river in Washington and Lewis and Clark camped in the hills about a mile from my property( according to there journals ) I was overjoyed to find this out!
Great question I’m going to need time to think about this, top of my head…. 45colt single action. Probably a Blackhawk. 45-70 lever action with an optic. Black powder and lead already around. I’ll come prepared with primers and a bullet mold.
As for cutlery:
Hatchet
Large fixed blade knife
I reserve the right to think about this and change my mind

if your ever near the mouth of the Columbia river where it meets the pacific go to the Lewis and Clark museum at cape disappointment. Very cool museum.

Winchester lever in .44-40
Ruger 10-22 and a brick of ammo.

Gerber Multiplier
And a Fiskars brush hook, like as not.

I'm thinking I'd like a bivy, some GoreTex and a water filter as much as any of those items.

This is your standard "survival gun" question inserted into an historical narrative. The challenge here is the two gun limit, which prevents the typical thee gun answer of "centerfire rifle, shotgun, rimfire rifle" combo.

Given the length of time and distance to be covered, I automatically went to rimfire rifle, simply for the amount of ammo that can be carried. That left me to choose between shotgun or centerfire rifle. Knowing that the plains will require a gun with some reach, I would choose a rifle. However, knowing also the amount of birds in those flyways in that area, I would choose a shotgun. Such a dilemma.

Ultimately, I would skip the rimfire rifle on this trip because the shotgun an do anything the rimfire can do, and the need for a long range gun can't be ignored.

So my choice is some version of a pump action 12 ga (Ithaca 37 or Mossy 500) with interchanging chokes and some version of a 30-06 bolt gun with scope. (Savage 110 w/ a Vortex or Leupold.)

ETA: I forgot cutlery. Here again, the two item limit is the challenge. A good forrest axe, like a Gransford and a good bow saw are my go to, but that doesn't help with game processing. So I have to drop the saw (too bad, a saw is soooo much better for bringing down trees than an axe, but really, how many trees are we going to be felling?) in favor of some version of a skinning knife. Certainly fixed blade. My current Benchmade would suffice, although, I'd probably skip the gut hook option-I never use it anyway.

Having done a bit of Living History I am familiar with what they took along with them. An amazing journey...
If the "Wayback Machine" will make me younger for the trip as well I'll play along...
And I'll keep it simple and bring my .62 smoothbore flintlock and a companion pistol. Shot and ball and bullet molds for them also.
One of my large butcher knives and a tomahawk should do as well.
(Heck, it worked for them...)

Pretty cool thought exercise!

I’d go with 223 bolt gun, a 223 automatic, irons on both, and 1000 rounds. I’m pretty sure, based on actual events, I’d have 500 rounds at the end of the trip.

The 223 bolt with irons will easily kill game out to 200 yards, including buffalo. Shoot once in the boiler room and wait an hour. The automatic will scare the H E double hockey sticks out of hostiles for a half mile.

Two knives, both 12 inch heavy fixed blades, and a couple diamond stones.

I can see not everyone read all of the OP

Ru4real said:

Pretty cool thought exercise!
I can see not everyone read all of the OP

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I did read the OP, it's a "modern" reproduction flint lock and also a modern butcher knife and tomahawk.

I don't know much about cutlery so I'll pass on that. As for firearms, this situation calls for a drilling, but as that might be a little too custom, I'll take a pair of Savage Model 24 combination guns, .22LR over 12-gauge. Two is one and one is none and all that, rimfire for small critters and buckshot for bigger ones, and I don't want to be dependent on optics that can't be repaired when I'm going.

Shanghai McCoy said:

I did read the OP, it's a "modern" reproduction flint lock and also a modern butcher knife and tomahawk.

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Armored farmer said:

…We will use the 'way back machine' to insert you and your gear into the original Corp ....but you are allowed to bring two firearms and two cutlery items from modern times on your journey. On this trip you will be responsible for your own ammunition.

I'm not going to clutter it up with a ton of rules. You will be carrying your own guns and ammunition.

You get to choose two firearms and two items of cutlery from modern stuff.

No custom items. Your gear must be readily available so we are all familiar with your choices.

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Why would you chose a modern flint lock over a modern rifle?

Sergei Mosin said:

I don't know much about cutlery so I'll pass on that. As for firearms, this situation calls for a drilling, but as that might be a little too custom, I'll take a pair of Savage Model 24 combination guns, .22LR over 12-gauge. Two is one and one is none and all that, rimfire for small critters and buckshot for bigger ones, and I don't want to be dependent on optics that can't be repaired when I'm going.

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My thoughts exactly, except I was flashing back to the .22 over 20 gauge I owned decades ago. That gun harvested a variety of game birds as well as a few mule deer. (Not far from the Lewis and Clark route, by the way.)

45-70 lever gun (stainless) with a loading kit and 1000 primers. Smokeless powder, lead and a bullet mold. The original expedition carried their powder in sealed lead containers that were melted down to make their balls and I would adopt that practice with my smokeless. As a bonus I could load with black if needed. The other gun would be a scoped 10/22 with a brick of ammo.

Cutlery would be a decent multi-purpose stainless blade like a Fallkniven S1 or Spyderco Aqua Salt. The other would be a good axe with a non-wooden handle.

Do we still get to keep their high-powered air rifle?

I'd go with a rimfire pistol (likely a single 6) and probably an 870 12 gauge with a 22" smoothbore barrel. I'd take an assortment of buck and birdshot and skip the slugs.
I'd want a good 6" fixed blade and most likely my other bladed tool would be a hatchet or seriously heavy made chopper.

Interesting thread.

Marlin 336 in 38-55. Convert the firing pin to 1 piece, convert from safety to saddle ring. Weaver detachable rings with a K3-1 scope. Spare set of iron sights. Spare set of screws, extractor, 2 ejectors, firing pin, mainspring, select brownells bits to fit it.

50 cases, bandoleer for them. 1000 primers, vac packed into 100s. 2 pounds powder. I'm not familiar with which powder, maybe 3031?, dipper for my selected charge. Single cavity lyman mould with aluminum handles. Block of black powder friendly lube. Lyman nutcracker kit with extra decapping pin and a full length resizing die. I'll need to play with it and figure out my load and a good BP load too so I can switch over as needed.

Marlin 39a, late model before the switch to AS. Spare firing pin and extractors both prefitted. Spare ejector assembly. Spare set of external screws, mainspring, brownells bits to fit that aren't covered by the 336s bits. Spare front sight. Rear sight should be the same as 336. 1500 rounds of mini mags, vac packed in 100s.

Cleaning kit I'll piece together from what I like.

Buck 679. Leather sheath. Dmt duosharp blue/red. Tube of neosporin.

I assume I won't have to provide firewood for the crew, just my occasional personal needs. As that wasn't stated. So I'm going to go with a hammer poled tomahawk.

Ru4real said:

Why would you chose a modern flint lock over a modern rifle?

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Logistics...
Besides, as all readers of science fiction will tell you, introducing anomalies into the timeline never ends well.

Ruger single six, 22 mag

Marlin 45-70

Kukari type machete

Randal hunting knife.

Maybe a PPC airgun in the 40 caliber range, and a marlin guide gun in 444 marlin. Realistically I think it pretty well mimics what they actually carried since they carried an airgun and a few front-stuffers. The Marlin lever just provides a quick second shot if the first we’re to ever be a miss and their bellies were already empty. Cutlery… going to say a nice Ulu for cooking and cleaning purposes, and a woodsman’s pal for blazing trails through the thick stuff. Maybe a straight edged butchers knife type chopper would be better for cooking, or a stainless filet knife for cleaning fish. A 20” Stihl chainsaw would be awfully tempting but the gas stations are pretty sparse in 1800.

I don't have a clue; I just wanted to point out that because Charbonneau's wife & infant child were with the Corps, the locals knew that this wasn't a war party. So no need to consider fighting.

Were it me, I think I'd take something like a 12/12/8mm Mauser Drilling, or a 10ga/45-70 Cape gun. Coupled with a Colt SAA, I can't think of anything in N. America I couldn't put on the ground. Add to that about 500 rounds of ammo for each caliber, a good hatchet or Hudson's Bay type axe; a Russel Green River skinning knife would round out the kit nicely. Oh, and a good saddle.... I'm not too high on canoes.

Mac

OK. This is good. As long as we can bring some modern items, how about some penicillin, and maybe some good boots.?

And thanks for not having us play the part of Charlie Floyd.

To keep us on topic, I'll go with the Stainless Guide Gun in 45-70 with a few reloading supplies (smokeless powder, 1000 primers, bullet mold, etc). Maybe primers were more available back then?
And my Kershaw folding hunter and Henckels 6 inch utility knife.

Given the requirement that I would be the primary hunter and meat provider for the expedition I would opt for a Savage 24 with a .223 barrel over a 12 gauge barrel. My other firearm would be a Marlin .45-70 SBL.

For the two cutlery items I would take along a Gransfors Mini Hatchet and an ESEE-6S knife.