KEL-TEC shipping $200K worth of SUB-2000's to Ukraine

Another company prioritizing Foreign countries and not the USA. It’s a business, i get that, just wished that more companies prioritize the domestic market first.

It would certainly be interesting to see who actually gets them. They have Martial Law now and the government has taken control of most everything.

sarduy said:

Another company prioritizing Foreign countries and not the USA. It’s a business, I get that, just wished that more companies prioritize the domestic market first.

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Are we as desperate for long arms here as they are in the Ukraine?

My sub 2000 is light enough and small enough to carry at all times. In a war zone on a 1pt sling it would be effortless, or perhaps in a satchel alongside a dozen 33rd magazines full of winchester 147 gr ranger Ts semi concealed.

Yes, the sub 2000 is ideal for this sort of lawless "the end of the world as we know it" scenario" indeed. I keep it with a satchel of about a dozen mags of 33rd glock OEM and a KSG 12, another kel tec product well suited to such conditions. All fits in one large bag in my trunk.

It doesn’t say whether the Ukrainian government has a standing order to buy anything that shoots, or whether this is one of those donations for the purpose of virtue signaling that the owner “modestly” boasts of in the media so as to get maximum moral capital and returns in the form of sales to his politically aware base, from his generosity.

Two quite different scenarios really.

Mosin77 said:

It doesn’t say whether the Ukrainian government has a standing order to buy anything that shoots, or whether this is one of those donations for the purpose of virtue signaling that the owner “modestly” boasts of in the media so as to get maximum moral capital and returns in the form of sales to his politically aware base, from his generosity.

Two quite different scenarios really.

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Um… did you read it? Because the article describes EXACTLY how this inventory of guns came to be available - a Ukrainian dealer had placed an order, but has since become unavailable - at which point, since the import authorizations had been already made, they decided to donate them to the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, and eat the costs.

I feel a type a way about it. It’s cool what they did. But talking about it undoes some of the good. They had to be the one to release it.

Varminterror said:

Um… did you read it? Because the article describes EXACTLY how this inventory of guns came to be available - a Ukrainian dealer had placed an order, but has since become unavailable - at which point, since the import authorizations had been already made, they decided to donate them to the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, and eat the costs.

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And this makes perfect sense since they rifles in question where already slated to be exported to a Ukrainian dealer. All of the US export paperwork and Ukrainian import paperwork has already been filled out and approved.

Varminterror said:

Um… did you read it? Because the article describes EXACTLY how this inventory of guns came to be available - a Ukrainian dealer had placed an order, but has since become unavailable - at which point, since the import authorizations had been already made, they decided to donate them to the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, and eat the costs.

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If they decided to donate that is what I missed. To my reading it wasn’t clear if the guns were a donation or a sale (after the original purchaser went radio silent.) Donation seemed strongly implied but was not specifically mentioned, I thought.

Mosin77 said:

If they decided to donate that is what I missed. To my reading it wasn’t clear if the guns were a donation or a sale (after the original purchaser went radio silent.) Donation seemed strongly implied but was not specifically mentioned, I thought.

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Dude, go to the link instead of commenting without info. In the attached video, the correspondent directly asks and Kelgren confirms their donation.

The $200k number looks huge but it only comes out to 400 guns (per the article). I'm sure anything is appreciated there, but that's nothing but a drop in the bucket over there. Hopefully there are enough mags to make the guns viable. Kellgren doesn't mention how many come with each gun. The standard retail arrangement is 1 mag per gun.

kidneyboy said:

It would certainly be interesting to see who actually gets them. They have Martial Law now and the government has taken control of most everything.

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Since the Ukrainian government is getting them, and they're not a standard adopted weapon, it's basically guaranteed they'll be listed as "distributed" and promptly sold off by some official to whatever black market organization that wants them.

Not to be cynical, but it will probably be Easten European gangs/cartels who get them.

Kel-Tec will likely never see a penny.

Crosshair said:

Not to be cynical

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Be cynical. Doubt everything you hear about this. The news manipulation is massive.

Where will they be able to send them to get them fixed?
Even if the guns actually got there, it would amount to diddly squat.

There is little to no place for a novelty semi-auto only 9mm sporting carbine in direct line combat.

If select fire it could be useful, but frankly Kel-Tec is not the name I’d want to see stamped on the side of my weapon in a warzone. The things are held together with Phillips head screws and glue.

Clearly, these weapons were meant for civilian enthusiasts before the war kicked off. Now Kel-Tec gets to virtue signal AND it’s free advertisement that their goofy little peashooter plastic carbine is going off to war! What a joke.

kidneyboy said:

Be cynical. Doubt everything you hear about this. The news manipulation is massive.

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Very true. Before February 2022, the media reported the Ukrainian government as a corrupt authoritarian regime that jailed journalists and political opponents.

I have worked with Russians and Ukrainians in the past, artists and programmers, who openly say this.

Today, the media is pretending they're Great Britain during WW2. (They're not.)

JCooperfan1911 said:

There is little to no place for a novelty semi-auto only 9mm sporting carbine in direct line combat.

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It certainly beats throwing rocks. If they don't need them they can do whatever they want with them, but I don't think "I've got too many guns" is a problem in wartime.

Why all the cynicism? Cynicism is a disease.

3C

3Crows said:

Why all the cynicism? Cynicism is a disease.

3C

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Cynics are less likely to be sheep.

someguy2800 said:

I didn't go back to watch the video again so I could be mistaken, but it sounded to me like they were hoping they will get reimbursed at some point by the ukrainian government but no agreement or promise of payment had been made so that probably will not happen.

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~2:10 in the video, the correspondent asked how it was being financed, and he states - albeit confusingly - that any order they make, they produce on their own dime (implying production for orders is done on good faith, not deposits), and once orders finish, they hope for the end user payment - which in this case didn’t come, so they’re sending them anyway, to the new recipients.